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Anyone thinking of emigrating?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,267 ✭✭✭✭Geuze

    Ireland is conservative???

    There are many, many other countries that are much more insular.

    We are very globalised.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭Quags

    Jaysus lads, just cause your happy here doesn’t mean others are. Just cause your happy in your daily life doing whatever, others want to do others and finally I’ve never seen someone defend the weather 😂

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,267 ✭✭✭✭Geuze

    I agree with you on the housing issue.

    But more right-wing!!!!!

    The country has, and is, moving left.

    See the number of SF / PBP TDs.

    I have to check, but there are over 10 far-left TDs, and zero far-right.

    There are over 3m on welfare.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    I am an Australian. I wanted to leave years ago, but when you have kids who have just started college or are in their final years of HS, they have to take priority. Then there was a long standing legal problem that took 2-3 years to sort. It's looking as if I might be able able to make my escape later this year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,267 ✭✭✭✭Geuze

    Those are reasonable points.

    Note that the USA has huge property taxes.

    But yes, for workers, taxes are lower in the USA, yes.

    But remember, you need private health insurance, which can be 10,000 PA for a family.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high

    Ff to me are left wing. They are High welfare high state spending. FG no different either. Ireland is overwhelmingly left wing in its outlook.

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,267 ✭✭✭✭Geuze

    IMO, FF will swing whichever way the people want.

    I would consider FF centrist, swinging centre-left.

    FG should be centre-right.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,104 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    Out of all the reasons to knock Ireland, the weather really isn't one of them.

    I tell ya there are places around the world that would have you racing back here purely because we have such mild weather.

    There are States in America, for example, where you can't go outside the frontdoor because it's either too hot or too cold. In New York the summers can get unbearable. You stick to whatever you're sitting on and have to shower several times a day. In the winter you freeze your bollocks off despite have the central heating on full blast and multiple layers on. If you're lucky enough to be in an apartment with air con, the bills will shock the life out of you during June, July and August. There are places in southern Arizona that can get hotter than 45 degrees Celsius.

    In certain parts of Canada, outside of British Columbia, you can get - 20 degree temps for days on end. It's absolutely miserable.

    There's parts of Russia that experience winter from mid October to beginning of April. Other parts, like the Crimea, are intolerable during the Summer months because it's like the tropics, complete with millions of mosquitoes sucking your blood.

    Honestly, as far as weather is concerned, the Irish have it easy.

  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Yes but the property tax is pretty much nullified by the lower prices they cause. Aside from NY and SF and the like of course.

    And yes, health insurance can be expensive. However in Ireland if you have a couple working for average pay then just their direct taxes going towards healthcare will be €6-7k per year. Quick look and "Level 2" VHI for 2 adults and 2 kids will be another €3k.

  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    I'm not dismissing it. I said we're clearly living in two totally different Irelands. Perhaps your experience is entirely different to mine. Some families for example are or were oppressively conservative, e.g.: hardcore rural catholics and so on. Mass, pub, mass, boiled cabbage and bacon. That's not the experience I had.

    I know quite a few people who seem to view Ireland through a lens of 1970s conservative households in the midlands, but then there are Americans who view America through similar lenses and so on.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3

    The reason I ask is because at 40 they'll be unlikely to get a mortgage wherever they move, if they're in low paid positions now they're unlikely to be any better paid in other countries

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,104 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    We can get a bit of rain here and it can be a pain in the arse sometimes. But I was in Paris for work a few years ago for two week in October and pissed down all the time. Very unpleasant.

    We have a tendency to moan about the weather here, as do the Brits in the UK. But nether of us have it that bad. Well, maybe the Scots. LOL.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,006 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui

    Taxes are lower - 10% VAT/GST - and the weather is better and you hardly pay much for home heating and any cooling needed is cheaper than heating. You can even power airconditioning from solar which has less than half the pay back period than here. You can't heat a home here in winter using solar. Car ownership and running costs are vastly lower. So basically, several very significant areas of household expenditure are significantly less. You don't need to pay solicitors a huge wedge when buying or selling property. You don't even need one if you are administering a deceased estate. Lifetime Legal costs are negligable, wheras here, they are simply inexplicable.

    It's hard to put into words what a genuinely outdoor lifestyle is like where the average annual temperature is 20°C and not 10°C and you have 2906 annual hours of sunshine to play with (Perth, WA) versus a mere 1440 hours in Dublin. You'd need a book, really.

    And a massive, massive difference is that Australia has one of the best health systems in the world, while Ireland doesn't, by a very long shot.

    Australia probably has the world's best retirement funding and saving scheme on the planet with it's superannuation system. People can actually manage their own funds if they wish - imagine that.

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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    True and the East and southeast are fairly dry compared to the West.

    I spent a lot of time in Finland (one of the best places to live allegedly) and while 5 months of the year are lovely, the rest is extremely cold and very dark, so much that a good 3/4 months are totally spent indoors

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,256 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    Evreywhere gets "a bit of rain" - Ireland has it costantly. When I lived in Ireland it was nearly always grey and wet. Depressing, cold, grey. Even in "summer".

    Moved to Berlin and found out what a real summer was. Blue cloudless skies, high 20s/low 30s and lakes all around the city you can cycle to just chill out by. And it was like that for a good two or three months every year.

    Most places in Europe are dull in October, but even Paris has proper summers. Ireland doesn't.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.

  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    Our weather's mild, but it's also very unpredictable. That's the major issue I find with it. You plan some outdoor event and you get soaked.

    Except for summer, which is undoubtably a lot warmer, you have more or less the same weather in Western and Northern France for example. Paris can be pretty grey and wet, so is the Benelux and Denmark.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high

    That is true and did think the same. Personally think savings are important in your 20s/30s and try develop a career that pays reasonably. Else you can be very stuck as you get older. This is true for any country, more so Ireland where we don’t have good long term rental options like say in Germany

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,104 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    I knew a girl from Helsinki that said the same. You just don't go out in winter. At least not for long anyway.

    She also worked in Norway for a bit up the north, near Narvik. Said it was just miserable. Pitch black and freezing cold for about half the year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭enricoh

    The average Irish voter votes for whoever promises them the most stuff!

    As a result we were the third most indebted country in the developed world pre covid. Iirc we spent the most per Capita on covid measures so we may have got second place in the meantime!

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk

    Yes our summers can suck but we don't get cold winters so that's a plus, I've barely used my heating this winter so far. Berlin can be snowy and freezing in April, from my experience anyway, but yes they do get beautiful summers that I would enjoy.

    Also it seems to rarely rain in Dublin these days, I go jogging and cycling most days and I can't remember the last time I got wet. Where did you live in Ireland?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,104 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    I bet you found out what a real winter was too. 😉

    But seriously, come on. Summers are my main cycling months here in Ireland and I can tell you we can get some lovely weather here for being outdoors. It's not unbearably hot like a lot of other countries and you can actually do some physical activity without feeling completely disgusting afterwards.

    It can get cloudy and rainy sometimes, but I'll take that over months of minus freezing temperatures every time.

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,256 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    Oh God yes - but I like real winters! Proper snow. Looks beautiful. None of the slushy shite!

    I lived in Ireland for 30 odd years, there was the occaasional good wee here and there but most of it was just.... grey.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    I hate to keep dogging on a specific poster, but you really are incredible. Every opportunity that arises to denigrate Ireland, you surface regular as an almanac, spewing your bile.

    You explicitly mentioned that you been in this country for over two decades. You’ve spent a significant % of your life in an environment that you detest. This life isn’t a dress rehearsal; you don’t get to come back to re-live it in Nirvana. For your own sake, please just move on. I dread to think of the havoc your overwhelming negativity is wreaking on your physical and mental health.

    For the record, I lived in your home land for a year in my early 20s. There were pros and cons associated with living there, just like anywhere else. Despite having the opportunity for sponsorship, I bailed after a year. Ultimately, it was the people who swung it for me. I simply prefer the way people in this part of the world conduct themselves. The object lesson here is that if a milieu doesn’t fit with your outlook and values, you pull the plug. You don’t spend over two decades there, launching into periodic diatribes against the country that has afforded you a home and a living.

    Please just cop on to yourself.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,104 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    Ummmm, I'll take a nice mild Dublin winter over a bitter cold Berlin one thanks.

    The summer is nice there though. Hopefully Covid fucks off and I can go back this year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,256 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    In fairness, not recently. Up until 2008 and then 2012-2013. But as I said to Tony, I can live with winter if I get a proper summer; and recently it hasn't been all that cold.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Mister Vain

    "slushy shite" 🤣

    The thing is though, we get the slightest bit of wind or rain and its a big "weather event."

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,404 ✭✭✭✭road_high

    What was wrong or different about the people in Australia?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭NSAman

    I live in one such place, -30 in winter and up to +40 in summer and 80% humidity.

    heating our house is cheaper than the house in ireland. Air con in summer costs a little more but nothing crazy.

    Weather IS an issue, never knowing when the rain is coming or in most cases stopping, doesn’t allow outside work to get done. While I absolutely love being home, I do miss the sun. Even in winter -25 outside it’s bright and sunny, it elevates your mood. Weeks with no sunlight and grey clouds can really get you down.

    however, emigrating because of the weather should be very low on peoples list of reasons (unless you are retiring).

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire

    That outdoor livestyle brings with it the highest skin cancer rates in the world with a horrible vain, macho and bullying culture. Horrible place to be stuck in.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭Hamachi

    There’s nothing wrong with them. A significant % of them just weren’t cup of tea. I left Australia and moved back to a continental European country where I lived for a decade. I was infinitely happier there. I have since relocated back to Ireland and am even happier here.

    My point to that poster (and others on this thread) is that if you are unhappy, you research the move and execute. Do not spend years ruminating on the decision and becoming increasingly bitter and negative in your current environment.