Irish language gets full EU status today

FrancieBrady · 05-01-2022 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423798#Comment_118423798

Are you still in denial that agreement has already been reached and legislation will go before Westminster to effect that agreement?

If a unionist DFM or FM wishes to renege again on rights already agreed and now legislated for, well that will be another matter altogether. Meanwhile dual language signage is going up everywhere as we speak. Like other matters that Unionist politicians have chosen as a hill to die on, the 'people' don't seem to have issue with them.

downcow · 05-01-2022 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423838#Comment_118423838

Francie you are on a wind up. You know as well as everyone on here what the chances are of a unionist first or deputy minister agreeing to Irish language signage.

I don’t want to patronise everyone by answering a question they all know the answer to.

let me check for you. Is there any poster out there who thinks the first and deputy minister will agree to put an Irish sign on my road?

FrancieBrady · 05-01-2022 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424051#Comment_118424051

Nobody wants to force signs where they are not wanted downcow.

There will not be dual language signs everywhere, but they will be and already are, all over the north.

The lesson has been taught to unionism many times now on parades, flags etc, you can only say no for so long, then you get snookered by democracy.

05-01-2022 11:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118422479#Comment_118422479

How would you feel if you discovered that 1 in 35 of the people you thought had perfect eyesight secretly wore contact lenses?

Before you answer that, it's useful for you to know that I'm not interested in the answer; I'm only asking because you seem to be in the mood for hypothetical questions, and that was the first one I composed so I thought I'd run with it.

I think Ullans and Gaeilge should both get a lot more funding than they do, because that will help them grow and develop and become more visible and more widely spoken. Why do I have that opinion? Because I want to see and hear more of those two languages, no more and no less. Others may have different opinions; let them express those.

Esel · 06-01-2022 01:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424051#Comment_118424051

Is there any poster out there who thinks the first and deputy minister will agree to put an Irish sign on my road?

On your road??? 'Typo' again?

If Westminster legislates for it, will the FM/DFM have a say either way?

Speedline · 06-01-2022 01:25AM

It turns out, in Belfast at least, you can request dual language signage for your road, subject to 15% of residents agreeing. But, it doesn't have to be irish and English. It can be ulster scots, French, Japanese etc.

You could have your own Chinatown quarter there. If ever there was a business opportunity....

Esel · 06-01-2022 04:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424692#Comment_118424692

Would make it too easy for some racist xenophobes though...

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2022 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424692#Comment_118424692

What scares the wits out of belligerent Unionism is that once legislation passes on this and the various commissioners and bodies are established is that this will move out of the political arena.

No more playing to the galleries' claiming you are keeping people safe from the cúpla focail

downcow · 06-01-2022 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424208#Comment_118424208

If you don’t mind me asking, do you come from an Irish or Ulster Scots/british background.

I don’t need the answer but my point is that if you are not from Ulster Scots community but you want to hear more Ullans, that is great but don’t be suggesting that it benifits the Ulster Scots community who I think hear plenty of it every day without funding.

I believe most Ulster Scots would rather see it directed into other aspects of our culture.

downcow · 06-01-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424652#Comment_118424652

See this nonsense every time I say ‘our’ or ‘my’.

it is my road, my town, Chelsea is ‘my team’, when I go on holidays and meet someone I tell them where ‘my hotel’ is, ‘my formula one team’ is red bull, etc I wish I owned them all

you really need to attack the argument and not the poster

downcow · 06-01-2022 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424692#Comment_118424692

Yes, absolutely. It will be interesting to see where it all ends up.

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2022 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427592#Comment_118427592

It's not 'your road' in this context though. It is everyone's road. Therefore the decision of First and Deputy Minister to put dual signage on it is eminently possible.

I expect these decisions will not be made by the F&D ministers though, they will simply sign the decisions of the appointed people.

steddyeddy · 06-01-2022 05:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118424051#Comment_118424051

To be fair DC you have said yourself previously that you're not a traditional unionist in that your father could speak Irish. So if they allow an Irish speaker from the republic to move into your road untrammeled then I doubt you live in the more extreme areas.

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427806#Comment_118427806

Nonsense. It is my road and you guys are at it again. I could go back, if I could be arsed, and demonstrate many occasions when each and everyone of you referred to my or our. But I’m a unionist so dare I say such a thing.

I say again. Wise up guys

steddyeddy · 06-01-2022 08:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429269#Comment_118429269

You previously claimed your area was a mixed area and you had Catholic neighbours. Has the demographics changed since then?

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2022 08:34PM

my or our

Your what now?

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428070#Comment_118428070

Again I am not exactly sure what you are saying. My road is about 90% nationalist, but few of the nationalists would be extreme.

o would love to name my road and tell you the story about signage but I have been PM’d and advised that I have already disclosed far too much about my identity with a certain poster on the thread.

I am generally trusting and don’t want to believe it but hey

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428765#Comment_118428765

Disgusting post on a number of levels

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429290#Comment_118429290

It is a mixed but very predominantly catholic area. What have I said to contradict that. I really am wondering what you are reading

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429295#Comment_118429295

What’s happening tonight. I don’t understand anyone’s posts

FrancieBrady · 06-01-2022 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429337#Comment_118429337

what does this mean?

when each and everyone of you referred to my or our.

steddyeddy · 06-01-2022 08:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429333#Comment_118429333

So why would Irish signs be a problem in a predominantly Catholic area?

deirdremf · 06-01-2022 08:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423838#Comment_118423838

I think that the unionists have already reneged on the Irish Language Act, which is why it is being brought in by Westminster.

downcow · 06-01-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429360#Comment_118429360

Exactly the same reason that union flags on lampposts are a problem in predominantly unionist areas. Minorities should not be disregarded

downcow · 06-01-2022 09:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428765#Comment_118428765

It’s all in the spin.

the Asher bakery issue was painted as unionists being discriminatory towards people who are gay. I am a huge supporter of gay rights but felt the media and nationalist politicians had got it completely wrong on the Ashers case and it was simply anti-unionist nonsense. I see it all culminated today after 7 years. The Supreme Court had rules in favour of the Ashers and the European court of human rights today issued its ruling again in support of the Ashers.

lurleen lumpkin · 06-01-2022 09:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429415#Comment_118429415

How are you being disregarded if you already have signs in English?

06-01-2022 09:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429473#Comment_118429473

Not exactly sure what you’re point even is here?

I would fully and openly support same-sex marriage and have absolutely no problem with someone’s gender/sexuality/etc as far as I wouldn’t immediately dislike someone based on that.

In summary, I am not & I suspect what DC is saying is they are not a homophonic.

However despite this and (surprisingly) DC & I agree again here that whole cake thing is a fcuking farce. A business— a private bakery is under no obligation to serve you or entertain any aspect of your design they don’t want to.

They could have asked for a cake with Dory & Nemo to which they could say “no, we, the Asher’s will put a clown fish on this cake BUT NOT NEMO we don’t like them.” and that’s their right. It doesn’t mean they hate all clown fish, they just hate nemo.

Similarly, they don’t have to support political messages if they don’t want to. They’re not saying they don’t like gay people, they’re saying they are wishing to remain apolitical on the matter. Look, yeah, they’re Christian and they seem mad for homophobia, so maybe they are, but it’s neither here nor there, a business has every right to choose an apolitical stance. Frankly all business should be apolitical.

DC often complains they get targeted here a lot & I’ve honest to God never seen it myself. This post changes that for me, that was 100% a snide remark towards DC I’m almost positive you wouldn’t to someone else.

downcow · 06-01-2022 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429621#Comment_118429621

Who would believe it. Jaylen Attractive Bellboy agrees with DC.

the point Jaylen Attractive Bellboy adds to my post is that the Ashers may well be homophobic. And with that I agree. There is every chance they are. Unfortunately many Christians (catholic and Protestant) are.

still They should be allowed to refuse to print something they are uncomfortable with

Esel · 06-01-2022 09:39PM

More deflection, as usual.

Ooh, look over there - a ~~squirrel~~ gay cake....

Donald Trump · 06-01-2022 09:40PM

Downcow, one simple question which I have not seen posed was why your concern for something which has changed in the EU.

Regardless of whether you were pro- or anti-brexit, you don't have the same official connection to the EU as you did before.

Would you be bothered for example, if the EU decided to grant some status or recognition of Basque? Or if the US government granted some of their universities funding to study or research Irish?

Irish language gets full EU status today

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