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The Omicron variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,225 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Perhaps we should only wish the pox on our very worst enemies -if that.We should in that benign scenario simply draw the appropriate conclusions and maybe lower our expectations of certain people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Doubt it. It wouldn't be much use anyway because they don't test every case so they probably wouldn't know who had which variant. They just take a representative sample of positive cases and test them to see how many are Omicron and extrapolate from there to estimate the national trends.

    Given the number of people self diagnosing with Omicron, you'd think people actually know which variant they have. But they're just talking through their hat unless they have their covid case confirmed and sequenced. Some people are diagnosing themselves with Omicron when they haven't even had a PCR test.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Would never wish anybody to get a bad dose. If your thinking along those lines it says more about you as a person than them. I've been holding out for this thing to get milder from March 20 as I remember mcconkey saying this would happen eventually. Was losing the will when I heard alpha/delta was alot worse than wuhan. I read somewhere recently to get through a pandemic you need time and patience. Nature runs it's course eventually. There is no correct way to get through a pandemic, we all need to be less judgemental of others even if they are annoying us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I knew some goody two shoes would come along. Of course I don’t wish it on anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, if it's same as here where having had a recent positive prevents you from getting a booster, then it makes perfect sense.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would you be frustrated at someone getting a mild dose?

    They are not worthy enough in your eyes to get a mild dose.

    You are hilarious 🤣🤣.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This appears to be Daily Telegraph propaganda (a Covid denying and anti-lockdown right wing media outlet). I haven't seen that 20% figure repeated anywhere else in recent weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    All variants have had mild symptoms for the vast majority of people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    That's never been true. Still isn't.

    I'm sure we've all heard the phrase "a small percentage of a big number is still a big number". Well we're going to really put that to the test.

    It's probably too late for restrictions. They need time to kick in. Another week of growth like this and we'll all have had it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Big time. The telegraph is ultra conservative right wing extremist shite. No surprise at all to see 'the usuals' on here using it as a reference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Whoah, France breaks the 200k infections. UK will most likely do the same in the next couple of days if not today.

    They banned anyone entering France from UK entering France... - when in reality their results are similar. Anyone entering France from UK had to be vaccinated and or provide a PCR negative test within 48 hours - now 24 hours.

    Germany has since added restrictions for travellers from Denmark, France, Norway, UK and Lebanon amongst others to travel to Germany unless meeting strict criteria.

    Perhaps thought should be given to French travellers being restricted - but then again, it is already too late. They are still battling Delta wave , as well as Omicron. Will other countries within the EU and Schengen area add restriction's to France....

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20211229-france-sets-daily-record-with-208-000-new-covid-19-cases-health-minister



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Omicron does genuinely seem to be different, both on the mild side and, importantly, on the chances of being hospitalised from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    7 day average data is actually skewed. There is always "0 deaths" for 6 out of the 7 days and in both weeks mentioned deaths is 47 and 55. It counts forward also so when new death figures are added tomorrow Friday's and the weeks average is going to the previous days figures divided by 7 and rounded up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I'd suggest a lot of deep breaths for you and that you should stay away from any COVID/Omicron information for at least two weeks. IMO, the bottom end of the NPHET optimistic projection of 850 or so is about as bad as it will get here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    BS if you knew that you wouldn't have posted it and in turn you would not have to backtrack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,445 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Complete nonsense, as before. You're ignoring our high testing levels and very low death rates. Maybe you have an agenda, maybe not.

    As a contrast Poland today had 15,571 cases and 794 deaths. That's the region where Omicron is thriving. Poland had only 1,388 cases more than us with a population of 37.8 million, 7.5 times the size of Ireland's. Our current death rate is 8 per day. Thus a country with an enormously smaller case rate than ours that should have 7.5 times the deaths actually has 99.3 times the deaths of Ireland. Incontrovertible facts, but I'm aware that you're not a fan of facts in any form.

    Ireland is doing well and quite easy to prove.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭4Ad


    Just tested positive, fir the first time, feels like a head cold with a few aches and pains.

    Picked it up St Stephens night in the local pub..

    Luckily I have had very few contacts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Here is the relevant parts of the article ( copy & paste )

    Just one fifth of the weekly rise in Covid inpatients was caused by people admitted to hospital because of the virus, figures suggest. 

    The most up-to-date NHS data show that on December 21, there were 6,245 beds occupied by coronavirus patients in English hospitals - an increase of 259 from the previous week. 

    But within that increase, just 45 patients were admitted because of the virus, with the remaining 214 in hospital for other conditions but having also tested positive - so called “incidental Covid” admissions.

    Critics of the data say it is wrong to include incidental figures in the daily updates of admissions and patient totals, as they can include someone with a broken leg who has just also tested positive on admission, but may be completely asymptomatic. 

    'Not the same disease we were seeing a year ago'

    The growing prevalence of omicron in the community also means that there are far more people likely to test positive on entering hospital, compared to during previous waves. 

    Overall, nearly 30 per cent of people currently in hospital with Covid are “incidental” cases - 1,813 out of 6,245 - the highest it has been since the NHS started releasing the figures in the summer.

    The number of incidental Covid cases has been rising in recent weeks because omicron is far more infectious than delta, meaning that many people will be entering hospital unknowingly infected.

    In the previous week, December 7 to December 14 - when the vast majority of hospitalisations were still delta - some 59 per cent of the 289 weekly rise was primarily Covid.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭brickster69


    This is the graph from the article from article - Source NHS situation report

    It does not show the numbers or wording for some reason when saving it but highest point is 100% and lowest is just under 20%

    Dates go from Oct 12th - Dec 21st

    Proportion of increase in Covid inpatients being driven by true Covid cases

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,445 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Why skewed? In Ireland we had an average of 8 deaths a day last week and 7 the week before. Meanwhile countries testing ffar less than us and producing far less cases have death rates multiple times ours. That's the skewering you should focus on, our high figures pointing to us being in an Omicron hotspot whereas the reverse is true and we're amongst the very lowest death rates in Europe.

    Focus on the hospitalisations, ICU patients and deaths. Ireland is doing relatively well and that will continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Serious question - how are we counting a Covid death - some are it's on the death cert, some if the person had a postivie test within so many days - UK it is 28 days. Others its a hospital death. Is it it just me or is it a bit confusing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ours are confirmed deaths and probable deaths, as per ECDC guidelines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,445 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Ah, so this is the definition from the ECDC website :

    Mortality monitoring should be conducted according to the WHO definition:

    A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g., trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery between the illness and death.

    A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be counted independently of pre-existing conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of COVID-19.

     Number of deaths due to COVID-19 should be reported to TESSy on weekly base (case-based or aggregated data).


    It is hospital admissions now we need to watch, along with key workers due isolation rules, shortage of staff in roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,282 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Hospital situation in the UK from the CEO of NHS Providers


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    I am going to stop posting daily confirmed UK cases, follow the twitter account if you want them.

    The prevalence % is so high that confirmed cases are meaningless

    Numbers are screwed up because of Xmas/BH in this below report.

    No ECDC report yet.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    I had it over Xmas, bad headache, semi mild aches n pains, no sore throat, to chest infection, tickly cough though. Only lasted 3 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Not only Delta - SA population is largely seropositive for Wuhan, Beta AND Delta. No other country is similar in this respect.

    The real problem with SA is the 20% HIV positive population that will keep breeding new variants and it's looking increasingly likely new strains (Sars-Cov-X). Omicron is half way towards Sars-Cov-3.

    Pretty spectacular that a country of just 60M generated already two dominant Covid VOCs within 24 months. Not a confidence, of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Wasn't that graph taken from a sample of just a few hundred cases? If it was really true that only 20% of UK Covid hospital patients had been admitted with Covid-19, the entire media would be all over the story.



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