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Asian immigrant condemns Irish gay society in British press as systemically racist

  • 22-12-2021 8:59pm
    Registered Users Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭ AllForIt

    "Irish or white men won’t accept people of colour as part of the community"

    “There is no scope for friendships, dates or sex for Asian men"

     "....Irish gay men are afraid and ashamed of being associated with people of colour"

     "I am aware that racism remains rooted in sexual desire"

     "you have to go through loneliness and face sexual racism at every stage within the community.”

     "most of my racist experiences are coming from the queer community" (He means gay community here)

    “If you don’t fit into the white men’s sexual fantasies and fetishes, you are invisible,”

    "The rigid racial hierarchies and beliefs keep people of colour outside of friendships and dating circles"

    "Queer people of colour are treated like “third class citizens"

     “Cis white gay men dominate the community"

    "most of the people leading Ireland’s LGBT+ organisations are white – something that needs to change"

    There is not other way to describe those comments other than the way I did in the headline - a complete and utter condemnation of Irish gay society.

    Either his comments are completely true or completely false. No in-between. No single example of what he says here makes his comments true as a whole as he paints a very grim picture of Irish gay society. It's not like he held back or had a single good word to say in his years of living in Dublin.

    To those that are familiar with Dublin's gay scene does Pradeep's comments seems pretty much accurate to you or not. 

    For those not familiar, but familiar with Irish gay men generally, the same question.

    From my own experience his comments do not match my view of Irish say society, or anywhere I've lived for that matter.

    FYI, this chap came to prominence due to an anti-racism campaign launched by a Cork based NGO last October. If you think he's wrong what do you think is going on here particularly given that he is being given a platform to speak out by white gay people. And are you satisfied that Irish NGO's, which you'll know are state funded, are giving a platform to people to make such claims that have reached an international audience.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭ Heraclius

    Didn't you already start a thread in the LGBT forum on this and it got shut down?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭ NSAman

    Well… having read the piece, instead of him complaining about white gay people being nasty and not trained in diversity for social groups, why doesn’t he start his own social groups?

    honestly, he sounds like he wants to control and be in the limelight.

    i have no idea if his claims are true or false. If true it shows a bad reflection on the lgbtq community, if false he sounds like a complainer.

    it’s better to win people over if you are new in town, rather than pointing out their flaws and alienating yourself?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

    Seems like a pretty bizarre mindset. People have their own personal attractions and preferences. You’re not going to change that by moaning about it in the media.

    If nobody fancies you, it might be time for some introspection to figure out if there is something off putting about yourself. I doubt Pradeep will ever train that lens on himself though.

    I actually work with a gay guy, who is white and from Eastern Europe originally. His long term partner is a brown-skinned guy from Mauritius. This somewhat belies the assertions in this article that such pairings never happen in Ireland.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

    I agree with the sentiment that Irish people are fairly open and inclusive. However I have to disagree with the statements there is a lot of interracial couples in this country. There aren’t, not compared to other Western European countries.

    I was Christmas shopping all day today in one of our regional cities. I passed thousands of people on the streets and did not see one mixed race couple. I don’t know precisely why that is, but it’s not for the reasons called out by the esteemed Pradeep.

  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭ MarkEadie

    It's extremely common at this stage. Certainly in places like Dublin

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

    I live in Dublin and have school age children. It isn’t ‘extremely common’.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭ AllForIt

    Oh, in that case he's being fettishized, which of course is another thing rooted in racism.

    To objectify or fetishise someone is to view and/or treat a person as an object, devoid of any thought or feeling. Fetishisation can be thought of as the act of making someone an object of sexual desire based on some aspect of their identity. For LGBQTI+ People of Colour, it reduces them to objects of sexual pleasure and gratification.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭ AllForIt

    Precisely. And the fact you give off vibes of incredulity is another indicator of your deep seated bigotry that you were blissfully unaware of till now.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

    This guy looks about 40, but is acting out like that scorned teenager at your disco.

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    I know loads. I would guess it depends where you live though. Birds of a feather and all that

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭ Hamachi

    I live in a very multicultural part of West Dublin.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭ ChickenDish

    Has nobody told this guy that its not racist if people don't wanna have sex with you because your fugly.

    According to his logic I've met thousands of woman who despise men because they won't have sex with me.