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Asian immigrant condemns Irish gay society in British press as systemically racist

  • 22-12-2021 8:59pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭


    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/11/10/pradeep-mahadeshwar-gay-project-racism/

    "Irish or white men won’t accept people of colour as part of the community"

    “There is no scope for friendships, dates or sex for Asian men"

     "....Irish gay men are afraid and ashamed of being associated with people of colour"

     "I am aware that racism remains rooted in sexual desire"

     "you have to go through loneliness and face sexual racism at every stage within the community.”

     "most of my racist experiences are coming from the queer community" (He means gay community here)

    “If you don’t fit into the white men’s sexual fantasies and fetishes, you are invisible,”

    "The rigid racial hierarchies and beliefs keep people of colour outside of friendships and dating circles"

    "Queer people of colour are treated like “third class citizens"

     “Cis white gay men dominate the community"

    "most of the people leading Ireland’s LGBT+ organisations are white – something that needs to change"


    There is not other way to describe those comments other than the way I did in the headline - a complete and utter condemnation of Irish gay society.

    Either his comments are completely true or completely false. No in-between. No single example of what he says here makes his comments true as a whole as he paints a very grim picture of Irish gay society. It's not like he held back or had a single good word to say in his years of living in Dublin.

    To those that are familiar with Dublin's gay scene does Pradeep's comments seems pretty much accurate to you or not. 

    For those not familiar, but familiar with Irish gay men generally, the same question.

    From my own experience his comments do not match my view of Irish say society, or anywhere I've lived for that matter.

    FYI, this chap came to prominence due to an anti-racism campaign launched by a Cork based NGO last October. If you think he's wrong what do you think is going on here particularly given that he is being given a platform to speak out by white gay people. And are you satisfied that Irish NGO's, which you'll know are state funded, are giving a platform to people to make such claims that have reached an international audience.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    Didn't you already start a thread in the LGBT forum on this and it got shut down?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Well… having read the piece, instead of him complaining about white gay people being nasty and not trained in diversity for social groups, why doesn’t he start his own social groups?

    honestly, he sounds like he wants to control and be in the limelight.

    i have no idea if his claims are true or false. If true it shows a bad reflection on the lgbtq community, if false he sounds like a complainer.

    it’s better to win people over if you are new in town, rather than pointing out their flaws and alienating yourself?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Racism is defined as: "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another"

    or

    "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized"

    With these two definitions in mind, let's review some of his statements:

    • "Irish or white men won’t accept people of colour as part of the community"
    • "Irish gay men are afraid and ashamed of being associated with people of colour"

    Not only are his claims racist, because he is making generalisations about a "white" population, but you could almost argue that his comments are racist/homophobic about Irish gay people, because he is making generalisations about them, too.

    Ironically, it seems he - and only he - is the one guilty of racism and a form of twisted homophobia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Climbing that victim ladder requires a heroic amount of brass neck, it always has done. It used to be a place for enthusiastic amateurs, now though there really is only a place for fully professional victims of fauxpression.

    Unfortunately all you early adopters of inclusivity and special status based on how much oppression your group has faced are inevitably going to get pushed to the bottom by the newer more uber-woked victim groups, indeed not only are you dropping down the virtue-status league table, your automatic inclusion in the woke category is now very much a thing of the past.


    Plain ol' white western gay men are barely any more worthy than the evil privileged breeders any more, get used to your lowly status, for now you can still wear your rainbows and make up the numbers at the public events but you must at every opportunity pay hommage to those with a higher woke count than you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    He came to Ireland to be with his white, Irish boyfriend- but they’re all racists?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Seems like a pretty bizarre mindset. People have their own personal attractions and preferences. You’re not going to change that by moaning about it in the media.

    If nobody fancies you, it might be time for some introspection to figure out if there is something off putting about yourself. I doubt Pradeep will ever train that lens on himself though.

    I actually work with a gay guy, who is white and from Eastern Europe originally. His long term partner is a brown-skinned guy from Mauritius. This somewhat belies the assertions in this article that such pairings never happen in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    People have their own personal attractions and preferences.

    Padreep does have something to say about that. He says that he wants to see more "sex positive" nightclubs. What that is about is an attitude of levelling the playing field, where everyone is regarded of equal desirability, where noone is 'better' than anyone else. Your personal preferences are 'rooted' in something bad that must be socially engineered out of society. Such stereotypical loony nonsense.

    I actually work with a gay guy, who is white and from Eastern Europe originally. His long term partner is a brown-skinned guy from Mauritius. This somewhat belies the assertions in this article that such pairings never happen in Ireland.

    Of course he's talking complete BS, but I want to emphasis that this guys views are being promoted by an Irish NGO (so there views also), otherwise this thread wouldn't exist in the first place and there wouldn't be an article in the Pink News at all.

    I honestly am flabbergasted by what's going with these NGOs and how they are able to get funding from he state to promote their poisonous campaigns. They have be gotten rid of one way or the other. 



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    If he wants to experience real racism and homophobia he should try living in South Asia. oh wait.

    Just found this article which is relevent, https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/02/homosexuality-india



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Oddly enough there was a chap from India on Joe Duffy yesterday or the day before singing out praises for being open and inclusive ,when Joe asked what brought him here the reply came his Irish boyfriend ,ohh

    There is loads of mixed race couples here both gay and straight ,but there is always someone who pops up playing the race card



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    ’Sex positive’ nightclubs, a place where everybody gets laid, regardless if you look like Chris Hemsworth or Quasimodo. Some of this thinking has truly jumped the shark. I totally agree that many of these NGOs are an utter waste of our collective taxes and ought to be abolished immediately.

    Rejection is a universal human experience. It doesn’t matter if you’re white, brown, black, gay, straight, whatever. We’ve all encountered it. Somebody you fancy doesn’t reciprocate and just isn’t you. What do you do? You put on your big boy/girl pants and move on. Pradeep needs to grow the f**k up and this NGO ‘platforming’ him should be defunded for a criminal waste of taxpayers money.



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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Sex positive’ nightclubs, a place where everybody gets laid, regardless if you look like Chris Hemsworth or Quasimodo. 


    Coppers it is so!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I agree with the sentiment that Irish people are fairly open and inclusive. However I have to disagree with the statements there is a lot of interracial couples in this country. There aren’t, not compared to other Western European countries.

    I was Christmas shopping all day today in one of our regional cities. I passed thousands of people on the streets and did not see one mixed race couple. I don’t know precisely why that is, but it’s not for the reasons called out by the esteemed Pradeep.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I know several my two sisters in-law come from Brazil and both black in mixed race couples ,I know several gay / lesbian couples in mixed race relationships, I know the last few years mainstream media has been pushing the mixed race couples in advertising from social media campaigns to various supermarkets to some how make it look more acceptable or prevalent is probably the better word ,


    Even more odd I was previously engaged to a Georgeus chick from Sierra Leone ,who ended the relationship because her family wouldn't accept a white husband despite living together several years .

    While I will agree it's not a common sight ,it still happens in the LGBT community and straight,but there's definitely difficulties involved



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    It's extremely common at this stage. Certainly in places like Dublin



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I live in Dublin and have school age children. It isn’t ‘extremely common’.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,060 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If he wants to go somewhere just to get laid he can go to the Boilerhouse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Oh, in that case he's being fettishized, which of course is another thing rooted in racism.

    To objectify or fetishise someone is to view and/or treat a person as an object, devoid of any thought or feeling. Fetishisation can be thought of as the act of making someone an object of sexual desire based on some aspect of their identity. For LGBQTI+ People of Colour, it reduces them to objects of sexual pleasure and gratification.

    https://gayproject.ie/special-projects/proud-af/



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    "regional cities" being the operative term. You go walk around Carcasonne, Lublin, Memmingam, Granada, etc you will see nothing but locals too. Ditto go to Praetoria, will see interracial couples but go to Brakpan, not so much. Ditto when comparing a big metropolitan city anywhere to its regional cousin



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Sorry to butt in here but am I to understand from this that if I’m in a social setting and I’m attracted to someone but it turns out they don’t fancy me, that they are in some way bigoted ??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,182 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    What I get from that piece is he can't get laid so it's all the white peoples fault and if you try to criticize him then you are being racist - I can see why he can't get laid

    Going from the video he certainly wouldn't be many peoples cup of tea and he is certainly onboard with the whole always being offended bandwagon using cis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Precisely. And the fact you give off vibes of incredulity is another indicator of your deep seated bigotry that you were blissfully unaware of till now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Well I wish I could get a time machine to bring me back to my youth so I could let some people know how truly awful they really are. And myself of course. To all the guys I wouldn’t dance with in Hayes disco in Thurles from 81 through 85, I’m truly sorry. I know now that I should have danced shifted and shagged each of you to save your hurt feelings.

    how do I make reparation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    This guy looks about 40, but is acting out like that scorned teenager at your disco.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,271 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I know loads. I would guess it depends where you live though. Birds of a feather and all that



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I live in a very multicultural part of West Dublin.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Padreep does have something to say about that. He says that he wants to see more "sex positive" nightclubs. What that is about is an attitude of levelling the playing field, where everyone is regarded of equal desirability, where noone is 'better' than anyone else. Your personal preferences are 'rooted' in something bad that must be socially engineered out of society. Such stereotypical loony nonsense.

    Seems like he's advocating "conversion therapy" but in reverse.

    While I will agree it's not a common sight ,it still happens in the LGBT community and straight,but there's definitely difficulties involved

    I think the problem is that Asians (born in Asia) tend to develop as homosexuals in a very very feminine manner, (which happens here too) but, it's often quite exaggerated in Asia... and many Irish men wouldn't find it quite so attractive. I certainly didn't (beyond the first 2-3 experiences), and the amount of male partners I had while living in Asia dropped considerably when I moved there. Sure, they're often gorgeous but there's a certain whine(y) attitude that comes with particular gay communities/cultures. Get's tiresome quite quickly to deal with it, and to have to constantly need to reassure your partner. I don't think people really consider how important culture is when it involves how homosexuals develop and establish their behaviors around their sexuality.. there's a lot of differences. Those differences can often be a definite plus, which is why I adore Asian women so much (beyond the physical attraction), but the negatives are important too.

    As for mixed couples, I don't think it's as common in Ireland, as in other countries but they're definitely around. I've seen a lot of mixed couples on the streets in Galway... but it's worth remembering the population of non-white races in Ireland is still far below that of White people (even if the Whites are foreign born themselves).



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    You racists won't ride me? Even if there was a sexual preference based on race, I think that is a personal sexual preference. We can't be forcing people to have more diversified sexual partners, it's their choice. It's a serious level of entitlement to believe that society owes you sex.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭ChickenDish


    Has nobody told this guy that its not racist if people don't wanna have sex with you because your fugly.

    According to his logic I've met thousands of woman who despise men because they won't have sex with me.



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