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Mental health and CoVid-19

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Boosters will be the future. A booster every 4 to 6 months for the rest of our lives.

    There's no end to this, our governments have too much fun in controlling our life, and knowing that our life in their hands is killing me. What kind of meaning should we be looking for when we know that we can never reach that goal?

    There are times when I would like to find a small island in the ocean and go live there. Or hide in a cave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭Tork


    I think you need to speak to a professional. We all owe it to ourselves to look after our mental health and do whatever we can to keep ourselves sane. You seem to be sinking into despair and could run into problems if this isn't nipped in the bud. I'm not going to diagnose what's going on with you because I'm not a doctor but it's obvious that you aren't in a good place.

    The discussions on these forums need to be read sparingly and with a grain of salt. Amongst the reasonable points on both sides of the divide, I'm also seeing a lot of anger, negativity, bitterness and preposterous theories. Just because some posts frequently get multiple likes doesn't mean that the poster is right - there's definitely a circle jerk or two here. The discussions on boards are very polarised and many of the people posting here have strong views. That is worth bearing in mind while you read these covid threads or related material elsewhere.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    This is the first time where I see suicide as a real viable option.

    Seriously, this is never going to end.


    EVER



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    Oh dear. I can't seem to edit my post. Will try again.

    @PicardWithHair It feels like it will never end because Covid keeps throwing us curve balls. Do your absolute best to stay away from the media and even here. I don't know your circumstances or where you are based but try to engage with all we can do.

    Mostly though talk to someone. Don't let the situation we find ourselves in take over who you are. You had a life before the pandemic, you have a life now and you will have your life when it is behind us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    Cheers man ...

    I'll be fine, I'm too much of a coward to ever do anything like that, feel a bit better over the last few days ... checking media less...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Another weird aspect of my character is that I don't fully trust doctors, and I don't even consider psychologists as doctors, so I believe that talking to one of them would be pointless

    As long as I don't listen to or read news, and as long as I don't go outside too much, well, I think I'm rather fine. But every now and then I think of what my life was before this, and what I can't (and won't be able to) do anymore, and this is when I feel at the bottom of a dark pit where light can't get in.

    When I'm home I'm busy enough with my cats, and if it wasn't for them (one of the two arrived to our family only weeks before the beginning of this nightmare) I think I would be dead already.



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    It's not weird. We are all different.

    You mentioned that you have a wife in a previous post. Is she a support to you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭Tork


    Do you have anybody you could talk this out with? A friend or family member, for example. You're entitled to your opinion of doctors and psychologists but it isn't going to solve what I believe is your biggest problem. You sound like somebody who is processing too much of this pandemic in your own head. When negative thoughts start doing laps of your brain they can do all sorts of harm. Bottling your problems up or hiding from them is not the way to go. There's a reason why there's an old saying that goes "A problem shared is a problem halved". I'm saying this, by the way, as somebody whose first instinct is to go hide in a corner when things go wrong. That approach only works for so long and I'm now a lot better at talking things out with people I trust. It really does help.

    You have a very bleak view of how things are going and what the future holds for you. You seem to believe that we'll be getting boosters every 4-6 months forever and that governments are enjoying themselves by imposing those restrictions. To me, those ideas are straight out of the conspiracy theory forum and they're leading you to believe that your life as you knew it is over. Are you deliberately looking up negative news items by any chance?

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  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All I would say is things most certainly will pick up again. This is not a situation that is going to last forever.

    In my experience, one thing to be careful of is absorbing too much social media, as there are threads that are absolutely awash with angry people and conspiracy theories and they are often making things seem far, far more restricted than they actually are.

    I mean, if I read through some of the angrier Irish threads, or even some threads on Boards.ie, you'd swear that we were in some kind of strict lockdown. The reality if I walk out the door and into town is that, other than face masks being worn in shops, most things are working away pretty much as normal. Christmas shopping is in full swing, people are having coffees, going to restaurants, hanging out etc. They're just being a little more careful.

    It's far from an ideal situation, but it's no where near as bad as being painted by some sources online and also some of the more hyped up aspects of traditional media too and I think it's just a really easy trap to fall into, particularly as you've people trying to pursue political agendas by frightening people and painting all sorts of scary nonsense stories online.

    All I'd say is perhaps try to switch off the social media and news media feeds for a few days. Take an opportunity to go do something nice and indulge yourself a bit. Take time, go outdoors, watch a movie, get a take away coffee and enjoy the scenery.

    During the worst aspects of the lockdown here, I got pretty stressed myself and found the best thing I could do was just walk and take photos and it really got me out of a negative space. Even if it was just going taking photos of architecture or stuff in the garden.

    I found social media in particular but even just watching endless TV/Radio reports on this stuff could be extremely toxic and I had to very deliberately ration my access.

    If you need to talk to someone though, definitely do seek a counsellor or a psychologist. They are not doctors btw, and work through talking things out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    It isn;t weird not t trust doctors. I lost 3o years to a misdiagnosis of epic proportions and to imapprorpriate "treatment " that added to the damage. Each dr just read what others thought without any assessment. Even when the truth finally emerged? They hedged and prevaricated and carried on handing out damaging meds.That was in the UK and that is why I left the country. And why I question doctors and why trust is not automatic. My deep faith and being with other likeminded and caring folk ( not in person) is all I need and to research and choose and examine eg meds. There is no automatic trust and I am happy with that. Especially where CFS/ME is concerned. There have been one or two I have trusted. Now I ask only repeat meds for pain and emergency cover and that works out well. Needed only once in the last years.

    And I read news a little online. No TV or radio by choice. Far too much else to do and youtube is amazing.

    Keep focussed on the cats! Stop talking about being dead? It will come soon enough as I know at nearly EIGHTY years old. Life is precious. Every day . Fill it with whatever soothes you. Music? Nature?

    Here for you. I mean that. You need positive contacts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Well, she understands my feelings and says I should react a bit more. She often tries to drag me out of home for a walk or a short trip, but she only succeeds when I am really motivated. I think that after several months of seeing me this way she kind of gave up.

    Usually I tend not to go out because I can't stand the vision of what the world has become. The bad weather and winter aren't of help either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    I expressed my thoughts and opinions to lots of people so far. Both family members and people at my workplace and in the real life. And I expressed my fears, anxiety and lack of hope. Some of them tried to lift and cheer me up, others think just or almost the same.

    It happens that the most dramatic thoughts I had a year and a half ago are now the reality (endless emergency, masks everywhere, more severe restrictions), and the more positive hopes and wishes that other people had a year ago have sadly been crushed under the current situation.

    This leads me to think that my thoughts are more realistic than the positive thoughts of others, and this can only strengthen my opinion on the dire situation we are in, and makes me confident that all my other dark thoughts are likely to come real, while all the others' positive thoughts are destined to sink.

    It's not a matter of hiding my problems, it's a matter that it seems to me that so far I was "more right" than others were, so why should my current negative thoughts be wrong?

    Yes, it is also possible that I tend to look up negative news articles rather than positive ones, even because the positive one are fewer and get proved wrong after a few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    What is a rather normal situation to someone, is a completely mess of my life to me.

    Going out and see masked faces, walking into a shop with a mask, keeping distances, showing a covid cert, all of this is depicted like a return to normality by most of media, a longed-for return to normality after a long period of crisis.

    I fail to see how this situation is the norm. It's a new norm that someone would like us to accept for the future, especially when you listen to people interviewed on TV and they say "Thank God we're back to our old life, I don't mind having a mask on and showing a cert or waiting in line for my turn to walk into a shop". It seems that to most people this new life is wonderful. And as long as they think that way, there's no hurry or need to go back to what we had before. Someone wouldn't even like to go back to what was before, they would be scared.

    Photography was one of my hobby before this. I have quite an equipment with camera bodies, several lens, accessories and all. I had just bought a new camera body shortly before the pandemic. Well, I haven't taken my equipment out that cabinet for nearly two years. I completely lost interest in that hobby.

    I live outside Ireland, and Ireland was my favourite holday destination. It had been for two decades, now I can't even travel anymore. At least, not as I was used to do.

    I'm left with my only other interest, cats. I help feral cats, and as long as I am with them and don't see many people, I'm rather fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    My mistrust for doctors have similar reasons. I lost several relatives while they were in doctors' hands, and it seemed to me they were badly handling the situation, but, you know, you can't teach a doctor, you can't explain things to them.

    So, excuse me, but when I hear one of them speaking I tend not to believe them, or at least doubt their words. Even on TV, when they say something on this coronavirus, then they contradict themselves two days later, and then again the next week. So, what was the real version?

    Yes, I keep myself focused on cats, my feral cats. I know you are on the same boat.

    And I know your blog, it is really relaxing and help readers to watch the world from another perspective.

    Thanks so much and take care!



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    Unfortunately it is much easier to write "you should do this/that" type posts to a person in your situation - than it is for someone in your position to actually follow such advice. The old "easier said than done" adage. It's so easy when you are in a good place to tell people in a bad place what they "should" be doing - as if they do not already know. It's as useful as telling someone choking that they would be better off if they were breathing. They know damn well they need to breath - they just can't! Telling them what they already know is not going to be useful.

    In my own personal experience I have found that motivation begets motivation. Sitting around and waiting for it to just happen rarely (if ever, for some people) works. We might get little explosions of motivation once a full moon but it tends to die quickly enough.

    So for a lot of people the only way out of the hole is to really take ownership of it and get after it. Which again takes motivation. You can have all the kindling in the world but if you can not find the first spark - you can not burn the fire.

    I guess - for me at least - I found most of my success in the stoic approach. That is - to literally list out on paper all the things in my life that I can not control and must simply accept - and all the things I can control and change and push forwards. There are some books about this - some more accessible than others. I tend to recommend Derren Brown's book "Happy" as one of the starting more accessible books on the subject. Although it is a book aimed at Children I tend to also recommend often to adults a book called "Way of the Warrior kid" by Jocko Willink. So far nearly all the adults I recommended that book to - have gone out and bought all the sequels to it too.

    I started then by taking the single lowest hanging fruit on that latter list and set the tiniest of goals. And when I say tiny - I mean it was ridiculously tiny. I dubbed it my "incremental approach to self improvement".

    The motivation required to hit those tiny goals was minimal. But I found setting goals - achieving them - then setting incrementally tinier bigger goals and hitting them too - was the spark for the kindling. Motivation was like a muscle. If you sit around waiting for your muscle to be able to lift that weight in the corner it will not do it. If you incrementally slowly train it to work up to that weight - it will. Motivation was just like that for me. Plus there is an addictive dopamine hit of setting a goal and hitting it. I think a lot of people miss this and when they take up something new like going to the gym they set their initial goals too high and never get that rush of hitting their goals.

    I laugh now looking back at just how tiny my initial goals were. For example I now a days get up around 4-5 in the morning every morning and do a 10k run. Every day of the week. Which to some people sounds amazing I am told. But I started this years ago by literally setting the goal of running a single minute. I actually spent more time getting the running gear on me than I did actually running. Imagine me in full running gear running 30 seconds down the road - turning around - and running 30 seconds back. It was comical.

    But on day 2 I did 2 minutes. On day 3 I did 3 minutes. By the end of 2 months I was running 1 hour a day. I now target 10k a day. But if I do the full hour I can hit a lot more than 10k.

    Now for you it might not be running it might be something else. But do not underestimate the possibility that you might rekindle your motivation by setting ridiculously tiny initial goals which require the most minimal of effort and motivation.

    These days I have a lot of hobbies and pursuits. I've spoken about some, not all, of them at various times around the forum. Like you many of them were hit by covid and entirely shut down. My Brazilian JuJitsu school for example. Thankfully a lot of that is back to normal but it's never been entirely the same.

    But I picked up some other hobbies to take up the slack. These days I am getting a lot of joy out of horse riding lessons - and training to use this pretty sexy Bow that my friends all bought me. It is amazing how many of the worlds troubles fall away when you are alone in the middle of a forest aiming at something - slowing your breathing - taking in all the factors like wind speed and distance and so on - and building up to that moment of arrow release. It's like a form of active meditation.

    The only other thing I can suggest is to try to find joy in things that previously seemed a chore or mundane or an obligation. The example I usually go to here is cooking. I have noticed a lot of people treat having to cook and eat a meal as an inconvenience in their lives. Something they have to get out of the way in order to get back to whatever else it is they feel they want to do or should be doing - be it work or binging on Netflix or whatever else.

    Sometimes there is a lot to gain by revisiting those things as an end in themselves rather than a means to an end. With cooking as my example - it is rediscovering the joy of obtaining food, preparing food, eating food. Focus meaningfully and mindfully on that process end to end rather than charge through it as something to get done and out of the way. The effect on diet of doing this too can have knock on effects on things like health, energy and motivation because it can lead to an over all better diet too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭dobman88


    I was.doing really well getting myself back together and my head back on track. One of the things we were really looking forward to as a sign of "normality" was Christy Moore in Vicar St. We go to see him there every year but our tickets got cancelled due to the latest restrictions and we couldn't get replacements as they sold out unfortunately.

    I know that may sound like the most trivial thing ever but it was a shining light for me. Absolutley none of this makes any sense to me now. We have almost 20k cases a week going through the schools that we are told are safe but they're closing down events and hospitality again. I am really struggling to see the logic on this one and I genuinely think I'm done following any govt advice from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Nobody can tell someone else what is trivial what is not.

    If you find pleasure and fulfillment in seeing Christy Moore, then nobody is entitled to say otherwise.

    And just like you are so disappointed you can't, and it seems that nothing makes any sense now, not being able to follow my own interests anymore, at least not like I was used to do it before this pandemic, disappoints me and makes me think that nothing makes any sense now.

    I will keep following the govt advice, but I feel hopeless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    One of the most beautiful, interesting and useful posts I have ever read!

    I will try to do my best. Thanks!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Irish stones, I used to try and be a voice of positivity on this thread when replying to people but I just genuinely dont know anymore what to say. I appreciate your reply and I wish you well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    It is easier for me as with the severity of the CFS/ME my life is very restricted anyway and at 78 even more so. When the new element of no working immune system was realised I took that a step further and cane out here. In essence covid has made no difference to my life- except that there are more facilities for homebound folk

    BUT- and it is a very big BUT - at one stage I did have to make a huge adjustment at a very deep level. And that comes across as what is not happening here?

    We cope only by accepting fully and adapting fully. In mind and heart and in how we spend our time.

    Easier for many here as you are still in full health.

    The need is to stop thinking and living as you did pre-covid. Stop .. well grieving.. is the word that comes to mind. You still have health and energy. Still have skills.

    You CAN do this. You really can . Stop grieving? I lost everything including my home, my work, my family - but at stage. slowly. I started to regroup.

    Start ONE new thing? Just one small new thing? That will take the sting out and break the cycle.



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    Some of your post resonates with me Graces and I know you have good intentions but a person simply cannot stop grieving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Going to disagree there. It is hard but it is something we all and each need to learn to do if we want to live. Rather then exist. And I know this many times in my own long life. We can choose; we really can choose. And please do not accuse me of "good intentions" ! What an insult!

    Here if you want to talk. Always and praying for each of you every day. Blessings and peace. As they say a man may take a horse to water etc! I had to learn all this the very hard way many times . And could have ended the pain sooner as we do have choice. The door is there. Look through it? Ah the beauty there



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    When you find the off switch for grief please do tell myself and others.

    As for my comment regarding 'good intentions', that was meant with kindness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,608 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    I do appreciate everyone's efforts and advice here, but it's a process that every and each of us has to learn how to handle.

    Being brain-washed every single day by TV news on new surges, waves, variants, and so on, does not help.

    Winter isn't the best season to try and live up for sure, at least in my case.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    We mostly can choose what media we consume.

    I keep up with what restrictions are in place by looking at gov.ie. I choose not to listen to or watch news about variants or latest figures. I know that it will not help me, mentally, and it was a decision I took very early on, in all of this.

    I used to occasionally glance at the coronavirus forum here on boards but mostly stopped doing that too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    I’m really struggling at the moment. I live a very restricted life as it is so I don’t need to check the COVID news, but I do a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,695 ✭✭✭Lisha


    It is hard at the minute. I hope things get easier for you soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,926 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    So hard not to feel a bit anxious now with that Headline this morning saying ' NPHET will be recommending more restrictions 'and we all know when they recommend the government accepts

    Almost a week from Christmas and with the numbers going in the right direction we get punished. Wtf so they want us to do ?



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Sorry to hear that you are really struggling. I hope that things improve for you very soon. 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭anplaya27


    Try being a Deaf ISL user and get back to me when you realise the impact of 2 years of mandatory mask wearing has had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    My fiance was meant to be in a panto this january. His first time back on stage in 2 years. It was cancelled tonight after the announcements.

    I know it's small fry compared to everything else going on, but these announcements just hit me hard. It just feels like it's never going to end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    Said too much. Nevermind.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,926 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Everyone stay safe please, This farce is not worth going to the Grave/Furnace for, please please please talk to someone if your feeling anyway down. Save money and if possible explore your interests maybe think about travelling to experience them, Live your life the best you can. This may feel like it will last forever but it wont

    Stay strong, this is a good resource for anyone feeling low



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Well, it has been one surreal 24 months for me, and others to I can see. I can not say I was in great shape this last 10 weeks as so many things went down the pan but things are looking up just in time for Christmas and the year-end celebrations. Speaking from the point of view of the deaf and hearing-impaired I still get a touch of the Ebenezer's when someone calls my mobile using a private number even though I keep telling everyone who will be listing that I can not use phones. I even have a nice voice mail asking folks to send a text or send an email but they still ring! Not to start on about the RSA and my 5 times cancelled bike test but now I think my GP and the HSE are on the bandwagon of phoning me up for appointments. Never mind. On Monday I will attend the Tralee booster clinic and hopefully, that will set me up for the rest of this year.... we will talk about next year in a few weeks!!! :):)

    Keep well everyone

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I feel so lonely that when the scam tinder accounts start talking to me now, I just go along with it til they ask for money. More conversation than I'm having with anyone else.



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    Tell us about the loneliness, have you always felt it or is it since Covid arrived?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    No, always, i have mental health issues anyway. I've regressed in this last year though tbh. The progress I was making in being more confident and doing things (I have social anxiety) is completely gone.

    Not sure I've had a conversation over 5 minutes in person since all this happened (outside of people I pay to talk to me anyway)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Travelling is exactly what we can not do. Anymore. Ever.

    I'm positive about this, nobody can make me think otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    When you say paying someone to talk to you, you mean therapist? I had been going to one from July to November, probably about 8 sessions. It helped a bit but ultimately I became tired of it and like you, my problems had been looming long before covid.

    I just found the therapist experience to be hollow. I understand it works for many but I'm starting to think I'm one of those better off taking medication to manage my anxiety and depression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,012 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Yup, been going to therapists on and off since I was 15 (I'm now 32). Its slowed down during covid though sadly.



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    The pandemic has exacerbated existing struggles for many and created new ones as well. When you don't have the opportunities to do things and and be around others then it makes sense that you'd regress. I'm sorry. Life remains in a strange sort of state but maybe you can slowly find your way back to where you were? The progress you made was real so is still in you.

    Plenty of therapists are seeing clients face to face now and also offer online sessions. Might be an idea to try and re-engage with one? You do pay them to listen but having that ear can be helpful and maybe take the sting out of loneliness.



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    We can still travel. You can book a flight to Ireland. There are a few hoops to jump through regarding travel pass needed and a passenger locator form, It isn't accurate to say that we can't do it. My in laws are recently back from Spain and my elderly aunt and uncle are currently there. I know things can change quickly but as of now you can travel.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Jim Gazebo


    What a world we are living in now. Got home last week fairly burnt out after months of on / off work away, lots of issues this year. Met a couple of friends at the weekend, no pints as was supposed to meet friends and godchild home for Christmas tomorrow and was trying to be careful. They are close contacts and looking at positive test now and can't meet up at all, will end up flying back pretty much on day isolation is over 🤕 been looking forward to it since the summer, really gutting,met the goddaughter once ever so far. then I'm meeting a friend on Thursday and they message me wanting me to do an antigen test before I meet them. I totally get it. I really do. But the whole thing is ruining Christmas for me. Jesus Christ, I'm so sick of covid, I nearly wish I just stayed away working. I feel very broken and gutted tonight. I'll sleep it off hopefully and focus on the marathon training instead for next few days and have Christmas with the parents I hope. Not looking for sympathy as others have it way worse, I just needed to get it off my chest and I've no where else to go with it really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    I finished work yesterday. I'm burned out. I've found covid hard with the WFH and the working day and personal time melding into one. Got back to my laptop that I'd accidentally left on - closed the lid so it didn't turn off. Went to turn it off and my boss had contacted me at 7.30 pm on teams despite an out of office set up. Ignored and turned off my laptop. Feck it. In saying that, people are worse off than me and have been through real turmoil with job losses, working on and off and on the PUP etc and the impact that brings to peoples mental health.

    Anyway I was home alone today so heading into dublin city centre for a bit of last minute shopping. Got my few bits and pieces and decided to get a bite to eat. There I was, random Christmas song came on. I'd shared a memory of a lovely holiday I'd had pre covid and some of the comments from family and friends were lovely. I found myself welling up. A 50 year old man FFS. Its not the first time. Its changed our lives so much and the mental health of the general population has been changed for ever.



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    I am not long back from a trip bow hunting in the US myself. Travel is of course possible. It's a bit up and down at the moment though. For example anyone going from the UK to Germany is expected to isolate for a whopping 14 days! But I have a sibling coming home to Ireland from the UK for Christmas at the same time.

    So a bit more effort involved in travel - especially dependent on where you are going to/from exactly - but I certainly am not having the same "never again any more ever" feeling you are getting.



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    Starting to flag a bit lately. Doing everything by the book and following the rules to the letter with covid. It's way beyond my comprehension as to how all of this happened and why. But it still feels like I (we) being punished. Moved back in with my Mum and Dad because it's somewhere familiar and I enjoy looking after them. I hope you all find some peace and relief.



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    Yes, of course we can still travel, but not like we were used to.

    By travelling I mean moving from place to place like we were doing it before this nightmare, without showing any certificate of vaccination or negative tests, or both. Without wearing a mask or taking hundreds of precautions.

    Maybe, and I say maybe, we will be able to forget all of the above one day, maybe in five years or ten years or more, but we won't be able to forget the time and the chances of travelling the we lost in these five or ten years. This pain will never abandon me.

    But maybe, when all this is over, I'll be so old that travelling will be my last thought.



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