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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    So the answer is no, there will never be a time where you stop and question the "professionals", no matter how many times they are wrong.

    That is broken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    On the radio(Newstalk breakfast) this morning the word was that the 5pm curfew would not apply to hotels so that weddings would not be affected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NPHET are reacting to an as yet unseen scenario with a set of bad models and it doesn't matter what other countries are doing, they are responding to local situations and culture. How exactly is China a model for anyone else when they can lock down and test entire cities? Better models please as we are constantly acting off a set of very dodgy largely wrong projections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭dragonkin


    Maybe not vaccines although I have heard that Moderna is making Omnicron ones but at least we need to see how bad omicron is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    If the logic is that we are trying to stop hospitals from being overwhelmed then the actions being taken are the equivalent of waiting until the night before as assignment is due to start working on said assignment.

    We had plenty of time to see these waves of infection coming down the line and we also conveniently had loads of people sitting out of work desperate to start earning. Maybe we could have done something like prepare for future waves.

    As it stands I would say it's very, very, likely that we will be going into Xmas of 2022 and possibly even 2023 saying "oh but the pressure on the healthcare services".

    At some point the time it would have taken to build or install new facilities and train people to do the various jobs would have been there for us and we basically didn't take up the opportunity.

    Statistically, we basically know exactly who is likely to need hospitalization here for 90+% of cases and we are STILL somehow failing to protect those demographics or at least failing to educate them on how to protect themselves.

    We've gone all in with the vaccinations and now it's not really clear how much they are helping us. Helping enough to bring deaths and hospitalizations down but not helping enough to avoid restrictions and lockdowns etc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    Because of their very low vaccination rate of course. Follow the science.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,318 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Full lockdown? What are you on about? Hospitalisations have dropped 40% in the past three weeks, or are you one of those people that only reads the case numbers. The country is 94% double vaccinated and at about 32% triple vaccinated - when is enough enough?

    What good does an arbitrary time do? Pubs can't serve past 5pm, do you think the people that would be out anyways are just going to toddle off home at that point? Not a hope, some might - but many are going to go back to house parties where there are no controls in place, mingling with way more people than they would when they're at a table of 6, seated. Mingling with unvaccinated people will also be more likely to happen because Johnny isn't going to stand at the door and ask you for your Covid cert before going into his house party is he?

    Anyways this idea of trusting the experts is getting a little tiresome. Especially with how wrong NPHET have been of late.

    NPHET's modelling has been wrong on every single occasion that I can remember in the past 6 months.

    They were wrong about not using antigen testing and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into agreeing about it

    They were wrong to stop contact tracing in the schools - 6 weeks later they became the primary vector in the country for spreading disease.

    They are still wrong about HEPA filtration and refuse to back down on it.

    I don't actually have a problem with NPHET advising what they advise, we all know Tony in particular has an anti-alcohol base and anyways, it's not good for your health. They are health advisors after all.

    My issue is with the spineless government who simply hide behind these measures and point and shout 'It's all NPHET's fault, I had to do it - they're behind you!"

    Part of good governance is balancing the health risks against the impact on the economy. At a time when hospitalisations are DECREASING, they now are going to introduce new restrictions - it's just out and out nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    This time last year we didn't have vaccines.. this time last year we weren't testing people coming into the country.. this time last year I could book a meal in the evening and of they were booked out have the craic with my take away pints.. this time last year people had a smidgen of hope cos the vaccines were being developed..

    Tell me what's to hope for next year?? All I see down the line is families being shamed into 5 year olds getting the vaccine and we can't open til they have been vaccinated BD...its a very grim future..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They have been open fully since September and declared COVID dead back then! I believe they had about 4K in daily cases before this kicked off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    It's high time we get some established numbers concerning the level of cases/hospitalisations we can deal with and start **** building the infrastructure to enable this. This arbitrary line changing will just keep happening time and time again. You know how certain medicines will cause the deaths of a certain amount of users and this is accepted because the pros outweigh the negatives, well this same sort of principle needs to be applied to our Covid management.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭dragonkin


    I’ve already said they have done a reasonable job given very difficult circumstances, look at the peak last January they were able to prevent a spike like that occurring for a long time. They also haven’t been out of line with global best practise. So no I don’t think they’re constantly wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,143 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    To those peeking through a curtain, yes that is the dregs of a pint. Another one on the way.

    I am nervous though because if I could get one after midnight, covid may strike. And even worse, from Monday, Omicron may even attack at 5.01PM, just with 30% less aggression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Just buy some food, around €9 worth. Covid goes away if the food cost €9.

    Maybe Tony has forgotten that, somebody should remind him, then pubs wouldn't have to close at 5pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    It's only effective as a temporary measure. The moment the lockdown is lifted cases will immediately rise. The moment the borders are opened the cases will rise.

    You'd literally need to shut the entire island down and you'd need to make sure that people weren't sneakily breaking the rules and visiting each others homes etc. Then you'd be stuck not really knowing when is the right time to reopen. It's just not realistic.

    Plus with the internet etc you'd have the issue of citizens seeing people in other countries enjoying themselves with their friends and their families while we sit at home.

    Also when advocating for a measure that extreme you'd pretty much want absolute proof that it'll work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭emo72


    So depressing. I don't see any solution to this with Houlihan calling the shots. I've decided not to get booster tomorrow. I think it's quite pointless at this stage. Good luck lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Are cases dropping in Ireland because people don't want to isolate over Christmas so why test?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    I think they publish the number of tests done each day? So unless the number of tests being done is dropping off dramatically I would say no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They are not obviously dropping and we have been at about 4K a day for about a month now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭dragonkin


    We've a new variant on the loose, early indications are that it escapes the vaccines, according to Imperial College is just as dangerous as Delta and spreads extremely rapidly. Do we just do nothing and open up? Or do we take a few precautions with the potential to rapidly lockdown later if this is serious.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So when are these restrictions been announced? Today/Tomorrow/Monday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    One thing that really grinds my gears is the need for MM to address just release a statement to the media and be done with it.



  • Posts: 24,009 Kason Ambitious Underpass


    Good line of reasoning; the real case scenario would only be known by how many are in hospital primarily because of it. Personally I would want to be feeling fairly unwell to subject myself to a test at the moment with a Christmas coming up. Instinctively I wouldn’t want to “stumble” upon a positive finding casually by antigen testing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,385 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    That's the ego taking over.

    Reeling in the Years highlights, RTE new clips, etc.

    As much charisma as a wet sock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭jackal


    The same imperial college that predicted 500,000 dead in the Uk within a month or so is it yeah? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7301657/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1



    jesus, the independent are even saying it's a joke. Maybe some are actually brave enough to question the madness of their gobshittery?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well NPHET have finally done it. They’ve made me agree with Regina Doherty as quoted on rte.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Sadly,the reality in modern Ireland is that your Parents and many of a similar vintage are now being Physchologically abused BY the very State Agencies supposed to be looking after them.

    It is very apparent at this stage,that the Chief Medical Officer has decided it is the appropriate time for him to rack-up his long running campaign against Alcohol consumption,the presence of a supposed deadly virus could not have been better placed and is now being used creatively to prepare the ground for the Minimum Alcohol Pricing lark next January.

    Whilst the Constitution does indeed have provisions to allow the challenge of rogue politicians,ther appears to be no avenue of challenge open to those of us deeply suspicious of the mechanisms at work within the NPHET/CivilService/Government setup.

    What we now have is a Covid industry running the show,with pronounced acquiescence from the Agencies of State.

    Why ?

    Who is benefiting from this,by now,repetitive imposition of largely meaningless restrictions on individual liberty ?

    Jonathan Sumptions recent Lecture contained some pertinent and accurate points,not least about the use of FEAR to ensure Public Compliance.

    We crave protection from many risks which are inherent in life itself: financial loss, economic insecurity, crime, sexual violence and abuse, sickness, accidental injury. Even the late pandemic, serious as it was, was well within the broad range of mortal diseases with which human beings have always had to live. It is certainly within the broad range of diseases with which we must expect to live with in future.

    There is a very real stench of corruption and illogicality now emanating from the NPHET/Government relationship,but what is far worse is the abandonment of a huge questioning sector of the population who are increasingly asking for REASONS to justify the current impositions...and stuff about (yet more) "Variants" just does'nt cut mustard !

    At the very least,ALL NPHET recommendations should be subject to some form of robust,perhaps peer,review and then any Political decisions need to be similarly tested in Parliament.

    Wake up !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Being announced today and due do come into effect on Monday because the virus takes the weekend off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,719 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Ya, he must have some ego but I feel they all have a bit of an ego.

    It's bizarre seeing people waiting to watch these addresses like he's going to reveal something really interesting.



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