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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And I'm sure there's a whole joke / comedy forum for you to go tell everyone restrictions will be done early next year 😄

    That's the World Bank, btw; take it up with them it you've a problem with what they're saying.

    As stated numerous times over the last 18 months, if you all stop complying with their restrictions, they'll have no choice but to end it. Keep complying and you'll get more restrictions. Hardly rocket science...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    "The children wanted the masks"

    Thats what people say when they want to abdicate responsibility. "Its not my fault, the children wanted it".

    They are primary school children, you are an adult, take responsibility for what happened. You put masks on children and never stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, it was the wrong thing to do. Now you want to complain as you start to realise just how much of a fool this country has been taken for, as if it wasn't already clear a long time ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Thats exactly what I ment in my reply just because I think something is wrong doesn’t mean I have to force that on the kid just to make my point.

    If it was a big problem to them I would of just told them don’t wear the mask but they didn’t mind at all and would of been more embarrassed to go in without it so I chose to let them be happy and comfortable without my interference. It’s called picking your battles and everybody’s different but the last guy who replied to my comment was just been stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If case numbers and hospitalisations are dropping dramatically in Spring, why will they keep restrictions? For whose benefit will they be kept?



  • Posts: 6,455 [Deleted User]


    Of course they do, which is why we're back to square one after getting as close to 100% as humanly possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Why would I put it under pressure? All evidence points to Omicron not leading to increased hospitalisations. Nphet are using models which haven't exactly been brilliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm pro-vax and what you are proposing is exactly what I am worried about. I can't argue against you though. If you haven't been boosted yet then your immune system is probably quite strong and I can't think of a good reason for you to be boosted



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Shhhh

    Remember people here saying schools weren’t an issue when the government were doing everything to obscure the facts to make it look like COVID doesn’t spread in them. All you had to do was walk past any school yard at lunch time and see 700 people tightly packed in together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    Your some tulip listen to yourself you must never have been a kid. No child likes to be different if he said he didn’t want to wear grand he wouldn’t of end of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    "If case numbers and hospitalisations are dropping dramatically in December, why will they keep restrictions?"

    The current announcement shows there is no rhyme or reason for their decisions - they are not science based. All metrics in this country are looking good - hospitalisations have been declining for weeks, cases are stable, boosters are increasing every day. Their only justification for more restrictions is out of "an abundance of caution".

    They have no proof omicron will be more severe (evidence from SA points to the opposite), yet the choose to believe the worst case scenario is at hand and have no problem throwing away our freedoms "out of caution".

    Fool me once shame on me, but after the 4th? time, I wont be fooled again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What reason and why then? October 2020 we didn't have vaccines and then had most of our cases and deaths happen as soon as everything opened up again that led to a 5 month lockdown while everyone got vaccinated.

    If cases and hospitalisations are dramatically dropping in Spring, why would they continue restrictions? For whose benefit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Quags


    Schools as we know are a major source of cases but that's about it, no deaths etc so everywhere expect schools get the restrictions. Think it was the same with Leisure centres also having hardly any outbreaks before they introduced certs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭PHG


    I really do feel sorry for everyone at home. What gets me though is the sense of scaremongering in the Irish media and I see it in some friends and family.

    We are travelling back for nearly a month over the Xmas period. We are double vaccinated and will get the booster. We have started to isolate from today and will also get an antigen test before flying. What gets us is that we have booked some trips and touristy stuff for the trip back (my gf is not Irish) and when we were back last year could not do much with lockdown, so we had big plans this time around.

    Seeing the news this morning has us like wtf. Last night, we went for dinner in Sweden, showed our cert, met our friends after in a pre booked table and no issue. We barely talk about covid here and it is refreshing. Now, I do believe covid is dangerous and 90% of my friends have had it and some been quite unwell. My gf is an asthmatic and we were very careful at the start, but since being vaccinated we are living our life, just being cautious more than anything else.

    Home just seems exhausting, I have friends who send me updates about covid (I don't read them) and in the last few days friends and family have started cancelling me to meet them when I'm back because of the fear of dying. Some have asked me am I sure about travelling as might not be safe as my parents are elderly. I haven't seen some of them in 2.5 years and you would swear we are coming back to Ireland with some disease (even though we are vaccinated and will test negative).

    We have restaurants and places booked but now we are really considering coming back early. I love my parents and spending time with them very much but sitting on the sofa or in a hotel room after 5pm for a month (if it happens) is just not worth spending our vacation on and more money lost to the tourism industry at home. If these restrictions are put in place, it makes a joke out of the cert!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Covid effects are mild or non-existent for the majority of people in this country. Many don't know they even have it unless tested.

    The only ones who are at any real potential risk are the elderly, the infirm and the immunocompromised and it's these groups that should be restricting their movements, taking precautions and following their GP's advice - as in fairness they probably already do against a whole host of things far more dangerous to them.

    What's happened here though is an approach of trying to force everyone to feel as worried as that group and trying to make them live under restrictions to protect them against something that (as per the numbers) is no real threat to them anyway.

    That's the official line anyway. The real reason is to deflect from the point that 20 billion a year is squandered by the same people making these "recommendations" in a health service that is on the brink every winter and can't handle even a modest increase on the most minimal demands.

    That's what we're protecting - the positions and paycheques of those who have mismanaged the HSE for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Hospitalisations are dropping dramatically now - down 40% in the last few weeks and yet we're ramping up the restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Imagine where we would be without masks.....



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If they didn't drop all restrictions during the Summer, what makes you think they're going to drop them come the Spring?

    As for your question, the vaxx passport will be kept going unless there's huge nationwide resistance/non-compliance. Without saying too much (I respect the mods gotta mod), the vaxx passport will bridge into the new system and digital euro (as aforementioned by Christine Lagard, President of the European Central Bank.)

    To prove my point, let's make a small bet of, say.. 1k? Vaccine passports, "green pass" etc gone by Summer next year and the money is yours. When they're not, I'll take your 1k and give it to charity. We can do it over blockchain for transparency. Deal?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Its a valid form of protest.

    1. They told us we`d be out of this if we had high vaccination levels.
    2. They said they wouldnt close anything they had reopened.
    3. They want to have 1.5 million boosters administered before Xmas.

    Yet with the stroke of a pen Nphet can put in more restrictions.

    So why bother with getting boosters if we as a population are getting **** all benefit from it.

    I may as well be sitting at home non boosted until covid runs it course.

    BTW -Im fully vaccinated so I dont disagree with vaccines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They didn't drop them in Summer because they were still vaccinating, they should have opened in August but they didn't because they didn't want to have to rollback restrictions. The current changes are happening because of the rapid growth of omicron and the assumption that it is as severe but has a higher transmission rate, if it's less severe, then hospitalisations should keep on dropping and restrictions dropped along with them.

    I don't believe they're necessary as I'm hopeful that Omicron is a lot less severe.

    But that's the data being worked off.

    I'd do 50 for a bet, whichever charity, can post the donation, passes gone internally by July 31st (they'll still be needed for international travel). I'm betting against there being any new significant variants between now and then of course :)



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's one of the most transparent stunts these chancers have played yet.

    • Leak the news of a nonsensical 5pm close
    • Let the people get annoyed
    • announce later that you have listened to advice and will agree to keep pubs and the entertainment industry open until 10pm
    • caveat is that you need your vaccine cert updated with a booster...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    50 for a charity of your choice if vaccine passports/restrictions on unvaccinated are gone internally in Ireland by July 31st 2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    We need to hit their statistics, it's the only message we can send seeing as we won't take to the streets.

    I'm fully vaxxed, but I'm not going to take the booster, not now anyway. I only got vaxxed for travel, but given that the rules around travel are changing to vaxxed AND test, or just test, why bother with the vaccine when we're getting back to requiring a test no matter what your vaccination status is?

    A few weeks back a friend was laughing his hole off at the non-vaccinated not being allowed into pubs, was delighted to have the pass and said "fúck them all".... Very temped to text him and ask him how the pass is working out for him now.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The way I see it panning out, the carrot for younger people to get vaccinated was to get into pubs/restaurants. If pubs are closed during January and February, what will be the carrot for U30s to get the booster? Maybe keeping them closed and saying get the booster and we'll reopen the pubs will be that carrot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Quags


    I will be shocked if this does not happen. MM & LV will think they have somehow saved xmas for people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    It’s the lack of media or opposition calling them out also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,613 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas



    This mealy mouthed shite would make you angrier, he doesnt give 2 **** about the hospitality sector



  • Posts: 24,009 Kason Ambitious Underpass


    Denmark is one place they would be modelling on. Most recent case numbers are over 8000 in a day.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Honestly, the booster is probably coming too soon for the under 50's, though we'll see what 2nd dose vs. 3rd dose data looks like for Omicron, if there is a revised vaccine for March/April for Omicron (and it hasn't burned out anyway), I don't see uptake being that high in younger age groups, we've been "off-cycle" with a lot of these, a booster program in September/October along with Flu would probably be most effective, trying to get another jab done in Spring/Summer makes it very messy and antibodies will be waning just as you want them plentiful.



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  • Posts: 24,009 Kason Ambitious Underpass


    The leaking, of course, is to test public reaction. See if and what they can get away with imposing without civil unrest.



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