Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

You really have an axe to grind against the obese. What BMI? How should it be implemented?

Ah yes you're deflecting again. Acting like you can't see the irony or sarcasm.

Again! I do not support banning anyone.

But you clearly do. So why do you not support the banning of the vulnerable and the obese as well as those who you really have an axe to grind with, the unvaccinated.

See you claim its for health and to protect the unvaccinated but the reality is that's not true because you would be quiet happy to ban a 13 year old unvaccinated child over an obese or vulnerable person. WHO btw can still get covid from the vaccinated. And will get omicron now.

Your real issue is you feel like you took the jab by force so everyone else should have to follow suit.

Socially risky...so what about nursing homes...why aren't certs mandatory there?

That's the most risky place a person could be...

I hope you're planning an intervention!

I have a head cold at the moment. I feel like crud actually. Sore throat, headache, stuffed up and achey.

Things I'm not gonna do: 1. Get tested. 2. Go socialising.

And my partner knows better but if he "told" me to tromp down to a testing centre while I'm feeling like **** he'd find himself sleeping in the shed to allay his own fears.

You want to restrict obese people (I don't, the COVID pass is easy to implement, encourages people to get vaccinated and reduces the chance of the group which are being hospitalised the most away from hospital).

You're jumping all over the place, first age, now the obese, then no restrictions (but then not answering how to handle overrun hospitals, mostly because I suspect you think the whole thing is fake).

So you think we should drop all restrictions today? I've consistently said it should have been August, but the next opportunity is Spring.

Are the restrictions necessary at the moment or are they being implemented for some ulterior motive?

(there are lots of countries that had huge summer spikes, but let's pretend you are right).

What's the point you want answered? Who's trying to fool anybody?

It's a bunch of posters thinking that restrictions do nothing, one of whom believes it's an EU plot to control people's lives, others who seem to think the whole thing is for a bit of fun to keep the unvaccinated repressed while constantly shying away from wanting to bring in an age cert or an obesity cert (but fine to blame older people or obese people at every turn). Every one of them seem to be afraid of saying what they want to and just try and live on outrage and dismay.

You're saying more restrictions could lead to a SF led government in a few years time? I'm beginning to want restrictions at that thought

So for ICU, 8% of the population take up 46% of the COVID beds, 92% take up 54% of the beds (a few weeks ago unvaccinated were 66% so it does change), which is about 10x more likely (more than the 4x from the journal).

It also doesn't give the hospitalisation figures, but at best you're saying the unvaccinated are 50% more likely to be hospitalised (despite skewing younger and less having conditions as the vaccination rate in those groups is 99%+), at worst it sounds like of those hospitalised, the unvaccinated are representing 1.5 of the cases to every 1 vaccinated (which is way more than 12x but as they've worded it badly and not given figures it's impossible to calculate accurately).

But even with 1.5 and 3x (it's not that, but let's pretend), that is still a significant difference for groups overwhelmingly represented by being younger on average and much less likely to have an underlying condition.

The numbers of unvaccinated should drop % wise as they all get infected anyway (albeit more slowly due to keeping them away from riskier locations), but Omicron reinfection may increase their number while the vaccinated drop due to booster rollout.

When the number is 1:1 then COVID passes are useless and should definitely be dropped (we'll likely drop all restrictions way before that happens, but that might be optimism).

On the Covid thread, your words;

“We can have 12 vaccinated infected to every 1 unvaccinated and they would have the same impact on hospitals, reducing the chances of the unvaccinated getting sick keeps more hospital beds available. It's simple maths and undeniable (except on boards I guess).”

And here you say

“at worst it sounds like of those hospitalised, the unvaccinated are representing 1.5 of the cases to every 1 vaccinated (which is way more than 12x but as they've worded it badly and not given figures it's impossible to calculate accurately).”

The figures are in the HSPC data and are not impossible to calculate.

I have noticed that a lot of "far left type" Brits on twitter are begging for lockdown to return and I think I know why, if you are someone in England living on the Dole of £74.90 per week, you aren't ever going to leave the house much in the first place, we should remember that these people were in "lockdown" long before covid ever came

It would indicate that most of the unvaccinated have been infected by COVID (the UK ratio is lower than ours and they have 98% of the adult population with antibodies either by infection or vaccination, but Omicron looks like changing that).

I'm going off your figures from an article today (and you quoted the paragraph where it could be more than 12, so not sure you know what you're reading, but alas), a couple of weeks ago when there was 66% unvaccinated in ICU the ratio was much higher, it's going to change over time but ultimately in all cases there is a hugely disproportionate amount of unvaccinated both in hospital and then in ICU, that is why the COVID cert exists within the country for accessing locations with a relatively high chance of passing on infection (and not all locations, as public transport is excluded and it's probably the most risky but would also impact the unvaccinated the most if they couldn't use it).