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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    There are signs on shops to wear a mask but I dont wear one

    If people are following a warning that this info is not to be trusted then thats their choice. Ignore it if you like, your choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    reporting websites only account for at best 10% of actual and at worse 1%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Nobody died from COVID at home, all in hospitals & care homes


    Google midazolam and how much the orders were increased prior to the pandemic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    So you admit that you're just ignoring the disclaimer then. Cool.

    Why are you doing this when you know doing so is no different than lying?

    It's a very dishonest thing for you to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    You said that the data shows that 30k people died in Europe from the vaccine. It does not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I assume that it avoids having to see the warnings and disclaimers by using those websites rather than the EU one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes. Conspiracy theories tend to be lies because they aren't true and folks like yourself tell them anyway.


    So why are you claiming these false things? Why are you ignoring things that show your claims are false and show they are lies?

    Seems like a very strange thing to do.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So provide these sites so that we can see what you are referring to.


    It's painful to negotiate that site on mobile, but I did see 32k "cases" of cardiac reports in the listing against the Pfizer vaccine. Is this the number you are referring to?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Yes, that's my point; if someone is sick enough to die from COVID, it's more than likely they have been admitted to hospital. So I still don't understand the relevance of the question.


    Midazolam is a sedative, are you suggesting that people were intentionally killed in hospitals and care homes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You have.

    You took the gross figures from a reporting site which literally warns (multiple times) about doing just that.

    Expose that you know you misconstrued the figures whilst attempting to deflect onto the death figures from Covid.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    You would need to give us the details of exactly where your 30k number comes from first. All you have provided so far is a link to a site that most definitely does not say what you are claiming.

    Here is a link to the UK Yellow Card reports, and an analysis of the numbers which is far easier to read than the EU version. Absolutely nothing in there which would scale up to 30k cases on an EU wide level based on the UK numbers.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    you said a year ago I was lying when I said vaccines would be brought in for all age groups

    That it was just for elderly & vulnerable

    I have been proven right on every statement I made

    This is a Vaccines safety thread................and now they want to introduce them to 5-11yr olds

    If they are that safe, why doesnt Pfizer drop its indemnity to liability then?

    Why is the FDA looking for FOIA requests to be pushed out until the end of the century for information on the Pfizer vaccines?


    Why are you all supporting big pharma?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Look it up on a laptop, I'm not a secretary

    The info is there, you just need to dig for it as they dont make it easy

    I have given you all full instructions on how to drill into the deaths

    You can also run reports if you know how



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Add up all the deaths listed and you will get more than 30,000

    Not cases, deaths

    Its close to 3 million injuries reported

    I have spoken to many people who experienced reactions to the vaccine but very few have reported them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Why are you dodging questions man.

    You've told several lies in your last few posts.

    You admitted they were lies.


    Why are you telling lies to support your beliefs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock



    You've asked some very interesting questions there.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Why can you not just show us where you are getting this number from?


    That site is a pain to navigate, and is clearly not designed for use by not professionals in analysing medical statistics. But of the terms I could decode I found a total of 9 cases listed for "Acute Cadiac Event", so I'm not going to panic just yet based on that number.

    Why is nobody other than you claiming that the EU numbers are so wildly different than the UK numbers? Both systems report cases in similar ways, but you are claiming 30,000 + deaths from just one vaccine in the EU compared with a total of 74 in the UK of which they state only around 14% are actually linked with the vaccines.

    Just show what lines it is that you are adding up to claim this 30K deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    He can't because he's just parroting crap he's swallowed uncritically from a twitter crank. He never bothered to actually verify anything himself and he doesn't actually care what's on the site.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Children have taken vaccines for decades.

    Thanks to "big pharma" we were able to develop, test and deploy overwhelmingly safe vaccines on a global scale during a pandemic.

    Thanks to modern medicine we have managed to eradicate infectious diseases which used to kill hundreds of millions, e.g. Smallpox killed an estimated 300 million people in the 20th century, yet even back then there were anti-vaxxers, and here you are rehashing the same tropes to fearmonger about vaccines during a pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    there are many many lines, you need to have either your algorithm run on it or wade through all the pages and dropdowns, like I said and you said they dont make it easy


    so for example

    220 deaths listed for Blood & Lymphatic System Disorders on Pfizer


    2246 Cardiac Disorders from Pfizer


    another 1701

    and so on and on and on

    This is just for Pfizer

    you will get to your 30,000 very soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    there are more deaths from the COVID vaccine in its 11 months than the last 40 years of ALL vaccines

    All the vaccines you speak of were tested a lot more than CV vaccine

    If it was tested so much why the need for a 3rd? and a 4th?

    Why the indemnity from liability?

    Why did Pfizer have clauses in contracts for indemnity before they would sell?

    Why have they added tromethamine to the 5-11 yr old vaccines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Don’t you understand that these illnesses also occur without being vaccinated? Unless you have a direct link to the the vaccine causing the illness then all you have is a stat saying that someone got sick and it was tested for after the vaccine was administered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "there are more deaths from the COVID vaccine in its 11 months than the last 40 years of ALL vaccines"

    You might be right, provide the figures for both thanks and the source



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Its more like you are afraid to look at the data in case you unearth something that you dont want to find

    Everyone on here has a fear of rejection

    A fear that if they steer away from the norm and question, they will be rejected by their friends, their families, their colleagues

    I dont parrot crap.

    How many deaths have there been in Ireland from COVID under the age of 25?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes, you do parrot crap.

    You then ignore when people point out that you're lying because the grifters you parrot from like an obedient little boy don't tell you what to do when this happens. And you clearly aren't able to figure out what to do by yourself.

    So you just parrot more crap from more grifters.


    I have seen the data. I have seen the disclaimer on the sites that your grifters hid from you and you have admitting you edit out of your reality.


    If people are steering away from you because of these beliefs, have you considered the possibility that it's because they are wrong and you insistence in believing what you're told on twitter is a bit off putting?


    "there are more deaths from the COVID vaccine in its 11 months than the last 40 years of ALL vaccines"

    This is a complete and utter lie. You know it's a lie. No point in pretending otherwise.


    Why are you telling lies?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Thus confirming that you don't understand what you are looking at.

    Are you also including the cases of death from meningitis in your numbers, or the "deaths" from ear and eye disorders, or the ones from pneumonia or covid19 itself, or diabetes, or fractures, or gun shot wounds, or skull fractures, etc, etc, etc.

    The reports show absolutely nothing regarding the safety of the vaccines without digging into the actual cases themselves, and you can't determine anything at all like what you are attempting to do from that raw numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    They really should put a warning or disclaimer on that website so that people don't misconstrue that information...

    Maybe make it so that to access the information you have to confirm you've actually read and agreed to the disclaimer...



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    In relation to vaccines for just the elderly and vulnerable, that was never a plan... It was generally that they'd be the first to get the vaccine and it would be rolled out to younger age groups based on availability.


    Also in relation to your thirty thousand, by your logic if somebody dies from blunt force trauma after being vaccinated.. Then it was the vaccine that killed them. Why have you ignored the disclaimer?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    you will get to your 30,000 very soon

    did you miss this line in the opening page?

    Since one individual case may contain more than one suspected side effect, the sum of the number of fatal cases per reaction group will always be higher than the total number of fatal cases.

    so for all you know all the deaths are inclusive in the biggest number, and not cumulative of all the numbers as you seem to be in the misunderstanding of.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Whilst remembering that there are real peoples lives behind the stats whenever they get presented, it is entertaining to try to find the most ridiculous cause of death that anti-vaxers are attempting to claim as deaths from the vaccines.

    So far I've discovered deaths by flatulence, anal fistula, blindness, heamoroids, tooth loss, ear pain, tinnitus, decapitation, feeling cold, feeling hot, being drunk, malaise, wheelchair user, dialysis, back pain ... and it just goes on. If we knew what half the medical terms meant without needing to Google each one then there would be another 29,500 ish totally unrelated to the vaccines reasons given for the deaths that have been logged within that number quoted by Lex Luthor. Then once you drill down into those remaining cases that are potentially caused by the vaccine you would most likely show quite easily that the majority of those are nothing to do with it either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    people died from falling off a ladder but were categorised as a covid death once they were tested



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Again. A lie.

    And it's very hypocritical.

    This is exactly what you are doing when you are misrepresenting the data you have not actually looked at.

    You are either doing this on purpose and you are actually that dishonest.

    Or you have no idea that's what you're doing because you have no idea what you're actually saying because you are incompetant.


    Which is it?

    My bet's on the former given your very dishonest behaviour and your very selective dodging of points.


    Again, boggles the mind that some one would actually do this just to play pretend.



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    Gonna need proof of that please. And still avoiding the fact you ignored the disclaimer..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    He can't address it, so now he's spewing out more stuff he can parrot to try and distract people.

    He's hoping that people will forget this so he can try the same lie again down the line.


    He won't acknowledge it. He won't admit it beyond what he's already admitted. Doubt he'll even think too deeply about it himself.

    Doesn't matter what he says, as long as he can pretend he's defended the conspiracy theory.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Even though that isn't what happened, you clearly understand the concept of someone having covid but dying from something unrelated. Why can you not understand the concept of someone having been vaccinated but dying of something unrelated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    explain all the issues football players are having with heart issues?

    Eriksen...advised to retire

    Aguero - retired

    Lindelof - taken off on Saturday

    explain all these aswell


    33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after vaccine.

    32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems.

    19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game.

    23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game.

    19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse.

    21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training.

    29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session.

    15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice.

    18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field.

    13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice.

    15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practice.

    Junior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given.

    17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear.

    17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice.

    16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021.

    16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage.

    19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death.

    16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game.

    15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game.

    19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies.

    17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice.

    28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack.

    29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match.

    27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinoshita collapses and dies during practice.

    32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the vaccine.

    24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room.

    During that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously.

    23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital.

    37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead.

    Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack.

    24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest.

    25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest.

    31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field.

    29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after vaccination has myocarditis.

    30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead.

    29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated.

    16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest.

    16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest.

    27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead.

    13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest.

    17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game.

    24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis.

    45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness.

    22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark.

    19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly.

    40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later.

    Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems.

    33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems.

    37 years old Ex-NFL professional Parys Haralson dies suddenly and unexpectedly.

    25 years old Kingsley Coman from FC Bayern Munich, operation on the heart after an arrhythmia.

    25 years old Canadian university football player Francis Perron dead shortly after a match.

    19 year old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest during training.

    Germany volleyball trainer Dirk Splisteser from SG Traktor Divitz collapses dead on the sidelines.

    Germany, 42 years old Alexander Siegfried dead suddenly and unexpectedly.

    A 17-year-old athlete from Colverde collapses while training with cardiac arrest.

    France, 49 years oldSC Massay player dead of heart attack during the game.

    Mexico, Caddy Alberto Olguin collapses on the golf course after a heart attack.

    29 years old Shrewsbury striker Ryan Bowman treated with defibrillator during play with extreme heart problems.

    Italy, 18 year old soccer player suddenly faints on the field.

    France, 40 years old A Saint-James player suffers a heart attack after warming up.

    Italy, 59 years old long-distance runner from Biella dies of heart failure during a race.

    Germany, Women's League match, a player collapses shortly before the end without any opposing influence.

    25 years German goalkeeper Lukas Bommer dies suddenly and unexpectedly.

    Mexico, 16 years old student Hector Manuel Mendoza dies of a heart attack while training Brazil.

    18 years old pro footballer Fellipe de Jesus Moreira has double heart attack and is fighting for his life.

    Italy, 27 years old cycling champion Gianni Moscon has to undergo an operation because of severe cardiac arrhythmias.

    English lineswoman Helen Byrne, heart problems has to be carried off the pitch at world up.

    Germany Game abandoned due to cardiac arrest of the referee in a game of Lauber SV.

    Italy, 20 years old young rider suffers a heart attack.

    17-year-old soccer player of the JSG High Hagen has revived during game.

    16 years old collapses while playing soccer and dies a little later.

    USA a high school football player collapsed during practice and died in the hospital.

    Germany 15 years old goalkeeper Bruno Stein dead.

    USA, 14-year-old soccer player Ava Azzopardi collapsed on pitch, is fighting for her life in an artificial coma.

    France, 41 years old soccer player collapsed on the field and died due to cardiac arrest.

    Austria, 26 years old Raphael Dwamena collapsed with severe heart problems.

    USA, 12 year old Jayson Kidd collapsed during basketball practice and later died.

    Spain, 33-year-old striker Kun Agüero had to be replaced in a game due to heart problems.

    USA 21 year old Senior student athlete John Stokes suffers with Myocarditis.

    22 year old Cyclist Greg Luyssen forced to end his career after vaccine due to heart problems"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Increases in myocarditis in young males from Vaccine





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    https://twitter.com/jrd0000/status/1445407292460052480?s=12

    Joe Duffy (RTE) Liveline Show Tuesday 5th October 2021

    "Strokes seem to be every couple of hours....I've never heard of so many people having strokes“



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Risk/Reward for under 25’s from getting vaccine does not match up with the data

    Again, I ask, how many deaths under the age of 25 have we had in Ireland according to the CSO from COVID?

    Have a guess....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Here's some info on the "vaccines"


    117 people need to have the vaccine to prevent 1 case

    With a survival rate of approx. 99.86%, 999 people will survive out of every 1,000

    You would need then to prevent 1,000 cases to prevent 1 death

    You would need to vaccinate 117,000 people to save 1 life (117 x 1,000)

    By end of June 2021, 134,000 in the US were fully vaccinated

    By end of June 2021, there were a reported 10,355 deaths from the Covid Vaccine

    134,000,000 divided 10,355 = 12,940 (Vaccination to death ratio)

    1 death per 12,940 vaccinations or for every 12,940 vaccinations there was one death

    When you vaccinate 117,000 people to save 1 life, 9.04 people will die from the vaccine

    Based on this data, you are 9 times more likely to die from the vaccine than from COVID itself on average across the whole age groups

    The risk from COVID in the younger 0-24 age group, particularly if you are fit & healthy is a lot less



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Woah. Has Facebook taken over Boards? Are you trying to overwhelm with (mis)information in the hope that some sticks?

    As for risk reward of under 25’s, I don’t think you know how vaccines work. One of she wonderful things they do is lower the length of time that someone can spread the virus. It’s quite handy especially as under 25’s mix with people of all ages.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph





  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Befor we go too far off in a different direction, have you dropped the claim about 30k+ deaths in the EU caused by the Pfizer vaccine?




    I assume that you can show the media to reports for each of these cases that shows clearly that they have been linked to the vaccines?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What is your source for 10k deaths from the vaccines in the US?


    Why is that so significantly less than your equally nonsense number of 30k deaths in the EU which has an equivalent population to the US?


    Why is the numbers for the EU and the US several large multiples different from the UK numbers? Does that not point to the fact that you just maybe don't understand the numbers that you are reading?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,831 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    medical degree from the university of facebook and twitter...

    nothing connects that list other than they are people who practise endurance activities



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