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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    A few reasons for footballers - Post Covid residual myocarditis, steroids in sport (and football in particular).

    And sadly, its not unusual.

    I loved the one last week, Charlie Wyke, a Wigan player had a heart issue and the usual anti vaxx thing was thrown out and it turns out he wasnt vaccinated.

    Ageuro the same. Has had issues with his heart from his teens.

    Post edited by The Nal on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Whatever Facebook/Twitter account you copied that from is run by an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    spread the virus to who?

    More U25's?

    So what, they are not at risk so why the need to take something experimental?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    never said 30k+ deaths were linked to the Pfizer one

    Read again, I said all 4 of them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    How convenient that story is about Aguero


    He just moved to one of the biggest clubs in the world, would have had a very stringent medical and if he had heart issues do you think he would have played at such a high level for so long and then all of a sudden after getting the jab he's got heart issues.

    Seriously??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I’ll just assume that you didn’t understand what I said, and you quoted. Otherwise you wouldn’t have posted drivel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Its well known that he had heart issues.

    Referencing a previous heart problem, Argentinian team doctor Donato Villani told reporters: "He felt bad twice, and with the medical history he has, since he was operated on when he was 15, we wanted to be sure it was nothing.

    Im sure (although I wont bother checking because you didnt bother) thats the case with loads of the "vaccine caused it" cases you posted above.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    again... its unfortunate that the medical certificate handed out by facebook doesnt include include a module of "comprehension" in it...

    otherwise lexy baby wouldn't have missed this glaring disclaimer on the first page:

    When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established.

    The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.


    but anyway, as we have seen across many of these CTers, comprehension doesn't often go beyond remedial level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You are doing it again

    VAERS is a reporting system, posters have literally just explained how these systems work to you.

    https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

    "VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind."

    There have been 484 million vaccine doses in the US. If any of those people have died within 1 to 4 weeks of a dose it can be in the VAERS report. It is covered in disclaimers about how the data can be misunderstood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    its uncanny that these agencies and bodies setup these reporting sites to capture data but when the data is in question they then put disclaimers on it and it shouldnt be taken at face value

    I suppose Lindelof had heart issues aswell?

    Dont worry when you are all fed up taking your 5th & 6th booster and it starts affecting your immune systems and your vax passes become invalid, you'll have to swallow a lot of humble pie when you fall into the unvaccinated category

    In reality, I'm living away as normal...dont swallow the garbage from the media, dont wear a mask, go for a pint in the pub, eat in restaurants and enjoy my healthy lifestyle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    and I was right a year ago when I said you would all take vaccines, not just 1, not just 2, but I said multiple.

    Right again...!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Erikson wasn't vaccinated. Now you aren't even trying, you are just shotgun blasting the thread with bad anti-vaxx crap

    "To date, I am not aware of a single COVID vaccine-related cardiac complication in the professional sports," said Matthew Martinez, a sports cardiologist who works with the National Football League, National Basketball Association, National Hockey League and Major League Soccer and who is the director of sports cardiology at Morristown Medical Center in New Jersey.

    The same goes for Jonathan Kim, an associate professor of medicine and chief of sports cardiology at Emory University in Atlanta. "I am not aware of any reports that vaccines in athletes are causing cardiac issues," he said. He called the HighWire video "a classic example of disinformation."

    "A young athlete experiencing cardiac arrest is not common, but it’s also not unprecedented. And there are different reasons an athlete might collapse.

    Michael Emery, co-director of the Cleveland Clinic Sports Cardiology Center, said that dehydration, heat stroke and genetic heart conditions, among other factors, can lead to collapse."



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat



    i tell you whats not uncanny...... the fact you have no idea what 'Due Diligence' means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    and we have all these fans aswell being taken out after getting defibbed

    too many coincidences

    I've done my due diligence

    dont fall off a roof as you might be classed as a covid death - John Cuddihy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The data is for experts to analyse. They literally explain this

    • "Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
    • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines."

    "As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” 

    It takes seconds to look this info up, and how anti-vaxxers are blatantly using it to spread baseless fears about the vaccines. Which by a remarkable coincidence is exactly what you are trying to do on this forum.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-covid-vaccine-deaths-eudravigilance-vaers-5467349-Jul2021/



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So you are just misunderstanding the US version of the same data that you were misunderstanding from the EU this morning then.

    Are you going to quote the UK numbers at us next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No self awareness at all. Your Cuddihy quote is exactly what you are doing. You are deliberately misrepresenting the stats to classify unrelated deaths as deaths caused by the vaccine.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ah the old "coincidence?" trope....

    when more often than not its perfectly normal occurrences, just people not understanding them


    what nefarious big pharma conspiracy was the cause of the deaths of the 13 football players in 2016 ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    And if the whole population did like you, no masks, no vaccine, eating out in pubs and restaurants, do you care to predict where we would be today? Aren't you freeloading on the efforts of the vast majority of others in the population?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    So are you saying the following from the US CDC is not accurate, and the US excess deaths from Mar 2020 to June 2021 are not 700,000+? Is it your case that the vaccines caused this? (even before the vaccines were available!). The orange line is the expected deaths, the red line the threshold for excess deaths.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    no I'm living my life

    my health is my own business

    if you have taken your vaccine then you should have nothing to worry about

    if you have something to worry about then maybe you should stay at home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    1st spike was the first wave when "covid" hit

    Most of those deaths were in the aged when they were moved from care homes into hospitals and left to die

    the other spikes coincide with vaccines

    Its fairly easy to interprate once you are willing to take off the blinkers



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    my health is my own business

    in the middle of a pandemic, no its not.

    your viewpoint is selfish and irresponsible.... but not at all surprising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Anti-vaccine types are simply googling any figures in sport who have had complications or collapsed or died within the last half a year or so, which is always going to be a number of people and then are attempting to portray it as somehow being linked to the vaccines. With no evidence. Some of the people linked hadn't even had the vaccine.

    Why are you just ploughing on spamming this stuff despite it being explained to you in black/white?

    What's the difference between you and anti-vaxxers prior the pandemic who've spent decades using the same techniques to attempt to spread doubt/fear about vaccines?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    You are freeloading off everyone else's effort though tbf. You've basically admitted it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    These people who were left untreated in hospitals died of what exactly? Loneliness?

    Your records for that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Amazing, it's like dealing with someone in a cult.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    What about the deaths in autumn 2020 before anyone was vaccinated?


    How come the rate of deaths dropped off so significantly in early 2021 as the numbers of people vaccinated increased?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    "Its more like you are afraid to look at the data in case you unearth something that you dont want to find

    Everyone on here has a fear of rejection"

    You say you've done your due diligence! Have you checked the following :

    On that site you will find EMA reports on the safety of all vaccines. They do show a reasonable incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis for the different vaccines, mostly in younger males, with a rate of 100 to 200 per million for Moderna, 25 to 60 per million for Pfizer, etc. They also say the following

    "Available data suggest that the course of myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination is similar to the typical course of these conditions, usually improving with rest or treatment. Viral infections, including infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, are a common cause of myocarditis."

    On Pfizer they say:

    "As of 01 December 2021, a total of 471,824 cases of suspected side effects with Comirnaty were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance COVID-19 vaccine safety update COMIRNATY www.ema.europa.eu Page 5/6 from EU/EEA countries; 5,962 of these reported a fatal outcome. By the same date almost 479 million doses of Comirnaty had been given to people in the EU/EEA."

    So, for Pfizer 5,962 reported fatal outcomes in 479m doses, or about 12 fatalities per million doses. (they do say these are 'suspected' side effects, but it does not mean they are necessarily caused by the vaccine). You then need to ask yourself how many people would die from Covid per million? And what effect the virus would have on the health systems if there were no vaccines?

    On AstraZeneca they say the following

    "As of 01 December 2021, a total of 223,295 cases of suspected side effects with Vaxzevria were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 1,303 of these reported a fatal outcome2,3. By the same date, almost 68.8 million doses of Vaxzevria had been given to people in the EU/EEA4."

    So fatal outcome is 1,303 in 69m doses, or 19 per million doses. How many people per million would die of Covid? and where do you get your numbers from?

    On Janssen and Janssen they say

    "As of 01 December 2021, a total of 31,782 cases of suspected side effects with COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 223 of these reported a fatal outcome2,3. By the same date, almost 18.1 million doses of COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen had been administered to people in the EU/EEA4."

    So a fatal outcome in 223 cases from 18m doses, or about 12 per million doses. Again, how does that compare with the fatality rate from Covid itself?

    In all cases they also say ...

    "These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e. medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that this was caused by the vaccine. This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination"

    It looks to me like your due diligence was only half done, and reached conclusions that are not justified by the facts!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView



    "1st spike was the first wave when "covid" hit

    Most of those deaths were in the aged when they were moved from care homes into hospitals and left to die

    the other spikes coincide with vaccines

    Its fairly easy to interprate once you are willing to take off the blinkers"

    A very convenient interpretation!!! Who really has the blinkers on here?

    And are you saying that the US stopped vaccinating for a few months in the middle? you know, where the deaths dropped?



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    And do you think I wear a mask in shops to protect myself? That would be a bit pointless as the normal surgical masks only offer minimal protection to the wearer, its real benefit is if I have Covid the mask reduces the transmission risk from me to others. But you don't care about reducing the risk to everyone else, do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,183 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Christian Eriksen not vaccinated = a great guy, the media fawning over him and wishing him the best and a speedy recovery. Same media very quick to inform us he wasn’t vaccinated.

    Calum Robinson not vaccinated = an irresponsible rogue, public enemy no 1, a media lynch mob (led by RTE of course) destroying his reputation etc etc

    Why was there such hypocrisy and double standards from the media over two unvaccinated footballers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    What's that got to do with this thread? Seems like you want to discuss footballers and media, surely there's a better thread for such?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    Yesterday, heard RTE radio pushing the jabs on pregnant woman claiming they are safe. Even thought the manufacturers have openly published that they have no data on safety of their mRNA products on pregnant woman and the fetus. Wonder where RTE get their info?

    While at the same time we've been seeing a 28X increase in stillbirths in multiple parts of Canada…all in double jabbed mothers only. Their minster of health sounds a bit like our muppet Donnelly. Theyre safe because we say so!


    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,413 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    28 times you say. I trust you, you’re on the internet.



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    I imagine if Calum Robinson nearly died on the pitch, the nitrous would be fawning over him too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The poster was claiming that Eriksen's heart attack was related to vaccines. He wasn't vaccinated when he had his heart attack.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    not really, I never asked anyone to take a vaccine for me

    majority took it to grab a pint and travel....get real



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    easily done, just hold off reporting the numbers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    why should I? I'm not sick when I go out in shops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Inter Milan had vaccinated all their players before the Euros...they then backtracked saying they hadnt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    imagine that, the booster is available after 3 months

    who called that?

    Me

    so now we are down to vaccines every 3 months

    as we are in the Covid Vaccines Safety forum can any of the experts here give me the data for the tests done with 2 jabs of pfizer or 2 jabs of Az or 1 jab of J&J with a jab of moderna?

    anyone?

    surely its out there...

    gotta be safe, right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    So not just a global conspiracy to hide deaths from the vaccines, but there's another one with the numbers?

    I'm trying to keep track of all this. So, prior to the vaccines, around 2 million people died due to Covid, you are claiming that's false and "most" of these people died due to "neglect" in hospitals, okay, they died of what exactly, hunger? or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    We're still waiting for you to back up any of your dozens of claims.

    But youve been copy and pasting so much propaganda and parroting ****, I doubt you even know where to start.


    Everything you've claimed is pretty much lies.

    You know it is. We know it is.

    So let's stop pretending. Be honest for once. Why are you posting this bullocks?

    Do you think jts fooling people?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Also again we're not seeing any other conspiracy theorists challenging Lexie on any of these bullshit claims.

    We must conclude that this means that all conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers here share these extreme beliefs or at least see them as valid and acceptable.


    Yet I sense we'll be hearing a lot of whinging later on of we dare to suggest such a thing.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So who is deciding to withhold the numbers? Is this lead by individual governments, or is it Pfizer and the other vaccine manufacturers somehow pressuring every government to pressure their independent statistics bodies and health organisations to all parrot exactly the same lie... But somehow not one person out of the thousands who would need to be involved have blown the whistle about this scam.


    Edit: and of course despite the thousands of people involved in hiding the conspiracy, they list a bunch of numbers on reporting sites for Lex Luthor to find out what is really going on with the 30k deaths from vaccines in the EU. They cover every other leak, except that one about publishing the data online for everyone to look at.



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