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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    PowerPoint is great, you can even plan your coup attempts on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    There is no way that Trump didn't plan to take control if he lost.

    He laid the groundwork for claiming it would be stolen months in advance because he knew there was a distinct chance he could lose. On that basis, he definitely planned on how he could steal it if he lost.

    The idea that he did it for any other reason but to hold onto power in defiance of the will of the people is absolutely and utterly absurd.

    He is no different that a wannabe dictator and I'd challenge anyone to think otherwise.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Notobtuse "Nope, Trump would not have accepted a continuation of his presidency without support from Congress."

    So I think we can all be pretty satisfied that Everlast is wrong. Clearly Trump, and indeed the insurrectionists, were simply out to have their voices heard by their local representatives. While it may LOOK like he was planning on ignoring the election results, what he really was doing was something, context, something Biden is senile, HC!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump will never "accept" a loss ever for anything.

    He will always lie and make excuses to justify to himself why he couldn't have lost and why he's awesome.

    Far more worrying right now are his ongoing activities to ensure that if he runs in 2024 that he'll get the "right" answer this time when he comes looking for results to be over-turned.

    He and his proxies are forcing through changes all the way down to County election board level to ensure that he has his cronies in the key positions of power.

    And the GOP are perfectly happy to let him do it as evidenced by the fact that only 1 GOP rep voted for the act just passed in the house to limit the ability of the President to abuse their position.

    They are perfectly happy for the President to be able to usurp the structure of the State so they can win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    To illustrate the depths of Trump's abnormal psychology, here's Penn Gillette talking about what Trump is really like. Something he learned when he appeared on a season of Celebrity Apprentice. The whole clip is interesting, but specifically at 2:35 he talks about Trump going into a rant about a random blog he'd read on the Internet which claimed he hadn't sold some property for enough money. Even a random blog on the Internet criticising Trump was something Trump could not let go of, and had to vociferously point out that he'd made a profit on the sale. Trump must win every argument and dispute, no matter how small. No matter how insignificant to the course of his life. And if he can't win the argument, it's like you say - he must proclaim that something is crooked, that something is going against him, that there is a conspiracy of some sort. He has never been able to admit simple defeat or that he was simply wrong. Not ever. The only way I imagine him doing so, would maybe be to save himself from a significant stretch in prison, but even then, he'd contradict whatever he said after getting off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,179 ✭✭✭Hoop66





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,464 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    It's hilarious how his sycophants portray him as some sort of alpha male when the reality is he's so weak, he can't admit being wrong about anything ever. Imagine idolising someone that pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interesting. #2xIMPOTUS not having any kind of a sense of humor is old news. Him not enjoying music at all is news to me, frankly that seems really weird and 'out there.' No wonder he shies away from psychological evaluation, there's all kinds of weird in that man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    There is zero point in debunking the nonsense you post on here.

    Whenever anyone confronts you with facts, you retreat for a few days only to re-emerge with more of the same. It is almost as if you go back into your echo chambers and replenish your supply of right wing talking points.

    Trump and his cronies attempted to overturn the will of the people on multiple fronts. The fact that you don't think this happened, or that there should be consequences speaks volumes.

    I swear, if Trump had of introduced prima nocta, I have no doubts his zealots would happily hand over their significant others.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What tactics in particular do you have an issue with? Are they acting illegally or outside of their powers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    It is my contention, as should be everyone's, that when those in control use their powers to do things against people's rights guaranteed under our Constitution, they are engaging in illegal activities.


    And as I had mentioned, the committee is violating a person, who has not been accused of a crime, of her First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights. Her name is Caroline Wren.

    Post edited by notobtuse on

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,460 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Try harder. You're just expressing an opinion. Leroy asked for evidence or proof, which you never. Ever. Provide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    What if it's just a conversation between two adults?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Tippex


    You know by now that Noto’s opinion is proof enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,279 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    clearly you have no idea of the powers of a congressional committee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    No, it's not, but in the same vein it's shouldn't be dismissed merely because the opinion and information came from me, either.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    You might laugh at these clowns but with the amount of right wing militias only waiting for the sign to mobilise the US could be in a dangerous place in two years time.


    Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida and the former White House advisor Steve Bannon floated an idea that an "army of patriots" and "shock troops" should be prepared to take over the government if former President Donald Trump were to run and win in 2024.

    During Thursday's episode of Bannon's "War Room" podcast, he and Gaetz outlined their plan if Trump should win.

    Trump has not yet publicly announced he is running in 2024.

    "People didn't like that Donald Trump raised his voice, but sometimes you gotta raise your voice to raise a ruckus and to raise an army of patriots who love this country and will fight for her," Gaetz said.

    "We're going to operationalize the performance to go right after the people who are imposing the vaccine mandates, who are enriching themselves, and who are selling out the country," Gaetz added.

    Bannon then went on to suggest to a nodding Gaetz that there should be a "theory of governing" before elaborating on what his plan would be if Trump were to be president again.

    "It's fresh and it's new. This is Trumpism in power. That's when we went to the 4,000 shock troops we have to have that's going to man the government. Get them ready now. Right?" Bannon said. "We're going to hit the beach with the landing teams and the beachhead teams and all that nomenclature they use when President Trump wins in 2024 — or before."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse



    You've never had bone spurs on the bottom of your feet, have you? I do on my right heel, like Trump. I can tell you this... No military person would want me on their squad because I would only be slowing and dragging them down because of what happens from long walks, or running, or carrying heave loads for periods at a time. The pain is such you can no longer put pressure on it. That IS why it's a reason to be exempt from military service.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,279 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    trumps father paid a doctor to lie about trumps "bone spurs".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "You've never had bone spurs on the bottom of your feet, have you? I do on my right heel, like Trump."


    This man's devotion knows no bounds!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,279 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    is there a bone spur graft that trump supporters can get to be like their hero?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I'm not dismissing anything. You made a statement about the congressional panel. I asked for reasons why you held that position. You have provided nothing. Simply an opinion.

    Posters have pointed out that an opinion doesn't mean anything unless it is backed up. Not because it is your opinion, although your track record on simply making up stuff based on no actual evidence does mean that the burden of proof weighs heavily on you, but that is the normal course of debate.

    Otherwise anyone could simply say anything and others must treat it as a fact. As you continually do on this thread, everyone could simply post whatever rubbish they like and expect everyone else to respect it.

    So I ask again, what tactics in particular do you have an issue with? Are they acting illegally or outside of their powers?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You've never had bone spurs on the bottom of your feet, have you?

    Neither did Donald Trump , which is the point.

    Bone Spurs are a disqualifying issue, IF you have them , but he didn't - Daddy paid off a Doctor to lie on a medical form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    All hearsay and not validated, right? So without proof it's only your opinion and not fact, correct? Hey, just going off the rules that are applied to me, here.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Suddenly proof is needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    She is not accused of a crime. She’s only exercised her Right to free speech and petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The House Select Committee is not allowed to seize her records because of it.



    Amendment IV. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    She is not accused of a crime and there has been no probable cause argument made. The House Select Committee is not allowed to seize her records because of it.



    Amendment V. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    She is not accused of a crime. Where is the indictment of a Grand Jury? The House Select Committee is not allowed to seize her records in order to venture into a fishing expedition to try and maker her held responsible for the supposed crime they are looking into.



    Amendment VI. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

    She is not accused of a crime and not been informed of the nature of the reason for this unconstitutional search and seizure. Where is the indictment of a Grand Jury and the evidence against her to warrant the seizure of personal records? The House Select Committee is not allowed to seize her records in order to merely venture into a fishing expedition to try and maker her held responsible for the supposed crime they are looking into.



    What we are seeing the Democrat House Select Committee is the old Soviet mentality of doing things... Show me the person and I will show you the crime.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,279 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    she is not accused of a crime YET. at least wait until the investigation is complete. what is your source for the actions of the committee being illegal?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,336 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    What proof do you have that he had bone spurs? Have you examined his feet?

    It's a claim made by a known liar. Why would you believe it? He has no particular history with the military, never showed the slightest interest in it prior to seeing them as a good pool for votes.

    So yet again you have got it wrong. Nobody here has to prove he doesn't have them, it was up to him, and now you since you are standing squarely behind him on it, to prove it. Should be easy enough.

    Apart from the doctors letter, which we all know can be easily obtained, what other impact did it have on him?



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