What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308340#Comment_118308340

And all this, with ZERO proof that any widespread election fraud actually took place. If Trump runs and gets back in in 2024, that's the end of the US. He'll then appoint his successor, and you'll see the large Democratic states like California look to leave the Union at that stage. It's all quite possible within the next few years, and it's very sad to see it happening.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308606#Comment_118308606

While I appreciate his enabling particularly with his actions on impeachment #1, however if he was on the Mark Meadows level of lackey he would've followed his master's line about vote rigging in the 2020 election, if he did then we'd be in a very different situation now

Igotadose

Hmm. Seems like being overzealous isn't sitting well with judges handing out sentences:

Capitol Rioters' Social Media Posts Influencing Sentencings

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-12-11/capitol-rioters-social-media-posts-influencing-sentencings

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308690#Comment_118308690

'videotaping this crime spree was the best idea we've ever had'

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308690#Comment_118308690

tHeY wErE jUsT rEguLaR tOuRiStS!!!

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118311092#Comment_118311092

They just got a little excited.....

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118308277#Comment_118308277

I suppose for the same reason that invasions of countries are often phrased as being "an operation to ensure the security of our people who live in that territory as a persecuted minority", or that the invaded country was harbouring fictitious weapons of mass destruction. Just any old pretext that sounds halfway reasonable. Get called up on it later and you can wriggle out of it on technicalities or that you carried out your nefarious deeds based on good faith and bad intel. Sorted.

everlast75

Interesting thread, perhaps very much so for some on here...

https://twitter.com/rothschildmd/status/1470427235538534405?t=FsGFdnOJBgoa1LK7iwllpQ&s=19

PropJoe10

Mark Meadows apparently sent an email on 5th January saying that the National Guard would be out to protect pro-Trump people on 6th. Why was he going on about the National Guard at this stage? Maybe he knew that there'd be a violent attack in advance?

These people should all be in prison.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316090#Comment_118316090

protect them from who?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316082#Comment_118316082

I agree with what he's basically saying, but there has to be a little bit more to it than just that. If you want to feel a sense of purpose and specialness, being privy to some sort of secret knowledge, there are plenty of cults around that will happily provide this. Heaven's Gate purported that there was a spaceship trailing behind a comet that you could go and meet up with after you'd committed suicide. Is it any more or less batsh*t than QAnon, who believe that Donald Trump (of all people!) was sent by God to battle a Satanic cabal of child killing reptilians? Point being that these crazy fringe beliefs have been around for quite a while. They're out there all the time, but it's only recently where a gigantic proportion of people have been sucked into one. So, what's changed that this has happened?

Social media is obviously a factor for spreading misinformation, but again, that's something available to every fringe theory. My suspicion is that it's a culmination of things - the right in America being told for decades that they were stupid and uninformed, the latent bigotry, the entitlement and the austerity which has really hurt some communities in a way that was ignored by top level politics. Talk radio moved in to sow the division and make a lot of money while doing so, as did certain conspiracy theorists, and over time conspiracy theories became normalised, as did a mistrust of 'mainstream media', and that a random Facebook page was giving you the real scoop that the people in power wanted supressed. The desperation and anger some people were feeling has given rise to an extreme gullibility where they'll listen to anything that makes some sense out of what they're feeling and, boom, they'll even swallow QAnon.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316159#Comment_118316159

Possibly Trump administration were waiting for counter protesters, "antifa" or BLM so they could declare an emergency to protect the peacefull patriots and by some extension prevent certification.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317744#Comment_118317744

I think that was absolutely the hope - "Ordinary decent citizens attacked by Violent AntiFa extremists" etc. etc.

But BLM et al never showed up so the had these guys all fired up with nowhere to go and nobody to fight so off they went to the Capitol..

everlast75

I bet daddy didn't know about this text...

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1470550603378171904?t=gX74UBOWI9yPa3Xgr5HoZw&s=19

Luttrell1975

What I want to happen is different to what will probably happen.

Trump is a braincell killer. The ability of truly limited people to speak with great authority, and no backup (like him) has increased since he stepped off the escalator.

Cody montana

“Laura Ingraham sent texts on 1/6 to Meadows pleading with him to get Trump to stop the attack --"this will hurt us all."

Then she goes on Fox that night and says it was all antifa.”

Shameful behaviour.

ohnonotgmail

Liz Cheney read out the text messages that were sent to Mark Meadows. I'm sure @notobtuse will still insist that this wasn't an attempt to overthrow democracy.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1470554095723466754

Leroy42

Wow, everyone knew that Trump was well aware what was happening and did nothing, but to have it pointed out like that make it inescapable that at the very least Trump abdicated his responsibility to be a leader on the 6th. And this is the man that millions think will stand up for America.

And to then come out, as so many others in the GOP have done, and attempt to down play what actually happened when they were fully aware of what had happened.

Trump should absolutely be held accountable, but so should the majority of the GOP who at best sat on their hands and continue to facilitate the attack on the democracy they say they love.

salmocab

They don’t care, they want their party in power and don’t give a toss how it comes about. The result is all they care about, there’s no point it asking do they have no shame because they don’t. It’s just about power absolutely nothing else.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316159#Comment_118316159

Well, I assume he knew in advance that there'd be violence and planned to use the National Guard on Trump's orders to protect the rioters. So much for a peaceful planned protest.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318485#Comment_118318485

That's if he gets the chance to respond. I hope his bone spurs don't get in the way of it.

everlast75

Trump zealots will argue that he didn't know that there was going to be riots. That's nonsense of course, but they'll argue it nonetheless.

However, when it all became clear what was happening, when McCarthy rang Trump to tell him to do something, when other tried to do the same and Trump did nothing for far too long, then made a mealy mouthed video that looked like a hostage video, *that's* when there can be no excuse.

It's no one else's fault, no one else would be listened to.

The more details that come out, the harder it will be to swallow that Trump let this happen, and that is why he and the rest of the GOP are fighting so hard to stop the information from becoming public.

duploelabs

Just goes to show how disfunctional the trump family are when Jr can't even contact his dad directly and has to go through his COS

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318771#Comment_118318771

I don't think it actually matters in the long run, at least when it comes to the GOP's devotion to Trump. They'll find someone else to blame, the base voter will swallow it and they'll move forward with him in 2024. While the US showed that it's electoral institutions are strong in the last election, their justice/investigative system is a shambles. Trump will continue to obstruct everything that the Select Committee tries to do and tie them up in endless appeals. There'll never be any justice, mostly because everything over there takes so damn long.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318785#Comment_118318785

If you knew Don Jr had your mobile number you would block his number as well.

Quin_Dub

What is becoming abundantly clear is the overall shape of the Trump plan to overthrow the result.

Now that we've seen the PowerPoint and all the other pieces , it's clear that after the abject failure of the 60+ court cases they were looking at the actual coup pathway.

The plan was obviously to organise the demonstration in Washington and get them all hyped up with the hope that there would be some kind of counter demonstration from BLM or whomever to create the spark initiating violence.

They'd then call in the National Guard who would be directed to target the "Anti-Trump" side giving Trump and right-wing TV the footage of "Socialist Rioters getting baton charged" that they wanted and also giving Trump the excuse/justification to declare some kind of "National Emergency" and suspending Congress until "things got under control".

He would then use the delay to hype up the "attacks on honest American Patriots who just want Justice and Fairness" as the leverage to get Pence et al to follow through on the bullsh!t Eastman plan for overturning the election.

However , the other side never turned up so they now had this feral, riled up crowd with no one to fight.

Then they headed for the Capitol building.

We can now also begin to understand the reasons why the National Guard didn't turn up for so long - They didn't want the footage to be of Trump supporters fighting with the Guard, but they were ok with it being the "Pelosi Capitol Police" and the local "Democrat controlled DC Police" as they thought they could spin that in their favour.

But things got a lot worse than I suspect they ever thought they would as evidenced by the flurry of texts trying to get Trump to intercede.

US Democracy may forever be thankful for the fact that BLM et al decided to stay at home on January 6th.

Bottom Line - It was a coordinated attempt to over-turn the election by any means necessary and Trump and his inner circle need to be held accountable for those crimes.

Dillonb3

I'd say the revelations with the texts involving Fox Hosts is what convinced Chris Wallace to leave Fox for CNN+. Surprised he didn't leave sooner

TheIrishGrover

It's not going to change a thing with his Klan. They will dismiss the powerpoint presentation as fake (I know little about it. How verified it is). But even if there was 99.999% conclusive proof that it was really what it claimed to be then they would still say there was doubt. The texts. Also fake.

You have to remember, his klan are not rational people when it comes to him. There has been AMPLE evidence displayed, even within this thread to Trump's corruption and attempts to steal the election. Each and every single point is either ignored or claimed to be fake/taken out of context. Similarly, every bit of evidence presented that there was mass corruption/attempts to steal the election by the democrats has been PROVEN to be known lies. But again, this counterevidence is ignored/rejected.

Usually there are two sides to a story.... Not here. As evidence has proven. But it will simply be ignored/rejected. Watch

Cody montana

Three Republican residents of The Villages arrested for casting multiple 2020 votes

Guess they found the fraud.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321403#Comment_118321403

It really doesn't matter. As you say, Trump's true believers will never accept any amount of empirical evidence that the man is a liar and a crook who has no respect for the established democratic systems and laws of the United States. But the bigger news is that even if you entered some crazy alternate universe were they would accept the evidence, they still wouldn't care. They worship Trump so much that subverting or ignoring the U.S. constitution or ignoring electoral laws or ignoring judicial rulings or ignoring the concept of the peaceful transition of power are acceptable things if they allow Trump to retain/regain power. They will distort their perceptions of reality or justice to any extent in order to maintain their one consistent principle: that Trump must be president.

And when you get to that level, it's no longer a political discussion because you cannot play the game of politics where the sides involved are not willing to respect the same set of rules. When you tear up the rule book, what do you have? You have a fight. War is what happens when diplomacy breaks down, i.e. when talking is no longer a satisfactory means to resolve a dispute. And we are seeing diplomacy between the sides in the U.S. breaking down. Refusing to respect the same set of rules is a form of soft force, and the Capitol invasion burgeoned into actual force, albeit unorganised and chaotic. But that idea has become normalised. One half of America has rationalised that incident to themselves, and the only thing left is how it's done again, with more success.