Are you on a day off or something? I thought you’d be busy pharmacisting rather than constantly posting in here.
I'm on AL as was supposed to be going to Val D'Isere but that's cancelled. Bye bye deposit. Locum rates weren't great today either
Backtracking now are we? You said the optimal strategy of protecting others (in this case your granny) is
distancing + self isolation + rapid testing
ie that we shouldn't consider vaccination as a method of protecting others, so you're only a partial anti-vaxxer?
How is he allowed get away with this. Please stop quoting him lads.
Interesting that he doesn't believe in vaccines. Maybe his personal bias is influencing his understanding of the stats.
I don't understand your double negative here.
Do vaccines stop transmission, yes or no?
If no, then how will vaccinating children stop them "killing granny"?
Granny is an adult, she needs to protect herself, not pass the burden for making her immortal onto schoolchildren.
But only partially
I don't see how this vaccine push can can get anymore aggressive. When I look at the redtop headlines they say things like 'Minister Declares War on Unvaccinated'.
Several TDs are complaining about this rhetoric in the Dail and M. Martin had to defend himself by saying he was "not blaming people".
One on those 10/20mcg folks.
Where is the evidence that the vaccines don't reduce admissions, the CDC say they do.
You're just repeating what I said, which is that the optimal strategy for protecting yourself is vaccination, and protecting others is as above.
If your only strategy for protection of others (as you've suggested) is vaccination of yourself, then you're likely exposing people to risk rather than protecting them.
It's the only route to prevent a total lockdown. Ironically, people who are anti-restriction should jumping st the chance to get vaxxed.
Agreed. That RTE article callingvpeople arriving with no test criminals was absolutely outrageous given "no test and isolate at home" was printed as an option fir incoming travel on gov.ie this week.
Once again our betters blame us for their incompetence. The contempt the Irish govt and senior civil servants have for the Irish public is nauseating.
Mark your words? Is that you, Tony?
I saw an article this morning about how "hardcore covid anti-vaxxers may need deradicalising like terrorists". It's actually unbelievable journalists can get away with writing **** like this. If we had a vaccine that eradicated journalists and politicians, the world would be in a better place.
A campaign of extreme personal aggression, which is now drawing criticism and backlash, is the only route to convincing people to getting vaccinated?
I disagree, I think the bitterness and force employed are leading people (moreso in the EU than in Ire) to a more sceptical stance.
Don't you know they are busy working out down the gym to protect themselves haha
Gym was quiet again last night. No waiting around for benches.
I mean it's great that so many people have been vaccinated but to blame the unvaxxed for the case numbers is a bit simplistic
Like everything the unvaccinated don't help matters but other things to take into account such as, refusing to utilise antigen testing to its fullest, not contact tracing school children, ignoring expert advice about air filters in schools, reopening nightclubs in October at the start of respiratory illness season. Who's bright ideas were all of these?
Also, it's respiratory illness season, I don't think we can blame anybody for that
If it's been scientifically proven that vaccines cut transmission of the now-dominant Delta variant maybe you can provide a link?
Without that us less well informed have to rely on a quick google. From which it appears the current CDC position is that "Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed"
A recent study in the Lancet found that transmission "among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases (25%; 95% CI 15–35) was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (23%; 15–31)". It does caution that the small sample size and other factors may have influence the results, but noted that "the findings raise concern that the effect of vaccination on reducing transmission might be lower for the delta variant compared with the variants that circulated in the UK before the emergence of delta"
Another study referenced in this Nature article suggests that vaccines may briefly help prevent transmission of Delta, through by significantly less than previous variants. And that this effect wanes rapidly until after three months there's no difference from being unvaccinated.
So if you've got scientifically proven evidence that vaccines significantly cut transmission of Delta, that would be fantastic news.
Yes, I remember that video of LV slapping a homeless person until he finally agreed to take the vaccine.
We closed nightclubs that only vaccinated people are allowed into. They are making vaccinated air passengers get tests for travel.
That indicates Tony believes there is no difference in risk between vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of spread.
So either CDC are wrong or Tony is grossly incompetent with a questionable grasp of risk management and has an ridiculous amount of power for a guy who has spent most of his career as a civil servant and not a practising doctor.
You're the pharmacist, you tell me.
Oh for the love of god.
Is that the message you tell your child? What happens when little Red gets covid after his vaccine and gives it to his granny and she dies?
You gonna say "well son, you killed your grandmother. I saw you not wearing your mask the other day and you have murdered your granny because you couldn't wear a mask"
Vulnerable people can die from the flu. Should we add flu jabs onto the covid passes?
You know..just incase I murder a nursing home full of people by going to a pub unvaccinated?
Do vaccines stop transmission, yes or no?
As has been mentioned here and is at this stage a known fact to most of the world. No they do not stop transmission they SLOW transmission. Meaning that if you have COVID and are vaccinated you will pass it on to fewer people than if you were unvaccinated. Do you understand yet?
So vaccinating children will make it less likely that granny will get infected this christmas
There is preliminary evidence that the omicron variant can get past the double vaccinated Pfizer. Hence rule changes.
Except covid has animal hosts. You will never 100% vaccinated.
Why are we facing restrictions if the vaccines work?
You haven't been able to answer this.
Have you ever considered that the maybe...just maybe...we are over reacting?
Cute emotionally narrative that doesn't address anything Red said.
I think he's just angry that I approve of children being vaccinated... What a strange person
He'd be a great spokesperson for the national party.
You don’t seem to believe in the vaccines either. According to you we’re going into lockdown anyway despite the high uptake in this country.