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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From an article a few years back on Moderna/mRNA. Note toxicity concerns with repeated doses:

    "On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

    Novartis abandoned the related realm of RNA interference over concerns about toxicity, as did Merck and Roche."





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7941620/

    The mRNA-LNP platform’s lipid nanoparticle component used in preclinical vaccine studies is highly inflammatory

    From the discussion

    ‘However, further studies will be needed to determine the exact nature of the inflammatory responses triggered by mRNA-LNP vaccines in humans, and how much overlap there might be with the inflammatory signatures documented here for mice.’



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    Do you have to fill the pill bottles faster now with the increase in patients due to Covid? God love ya. I'm sure the nurses and doctors - your front line colleagues - running about in PPE and changing it every turn about really feel for ya.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

    This was when they were focusing on treatments, quite possibly a jab every week to suppress a disease or as a regular treatment etc... so repeating weekly jabs weekly over months or years could lead to dangerous side effects.

    Due to that, they moved onto vaccines, which as you know can require up to 3 jabs in a year (MenB, PCV etc...)

    Do you not see the difference between the 2?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 74,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    From the OP

    Discussion of vaccination and vaccination certs in the context of restrictions is on topic. Discussions of the efficacy of vaccines and impact on different cohorts in the community belongs in the vaccine megathread thread, not here



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is not paracetamol that you take 3 times a day. 3 doses over 6 months with no wide ranging effects noted.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So what, just keep shutting the place down every Winter and impose other restrictions? No thanks.

    It's been two years now. Vaccinate the vulnerable and anyone else who wants it, then open up and get on with it. It's not Ebola, ffs.

    If it was a true, deadly pandemic, you wouldn't need to remind people of it every two minutes, and you wouldn't need to coerce people into getting jabbed every few months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    British government getting eviscerated by the media. Resignations and the whole lot.. Cummings never recovered from that time he drove up the country during lockdown.

    Cummings , Hancock , Stratton - all ousted for incompetence

    You'd never see it in this country



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,032 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    how can they just keep on rolling over "Emergency Powers". This set of powers, more stringent than the last, will roll into June. What will stop them from rolling through another set of "Emergency Powers" in June. This is the stuff of nightmares, that countries have constitutions to prevent.

    You might agree with restrictions, fair enough. But how about when a party or person comes along that does stuff that you don't like? And keeps on rolling "emergency powers" over and over again.

    It's the height of stupidity that some people cannot see the greater non-covid problem with this.

    What happens if an absolute crazy comes along in 10-20 years, throws everyone under a 2km radius restriction for the kicks, discriminates against a large section of society, shut down businesses they don't like, says you have to take this pill/vaccine if you want to participate in society.

    Who is going to help you? The Constitution? The president? The supreme court? The EU? The armed forces? Turns out none of them would do anything. In fact they are all behind it.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    It's intriguing you feel the need to put a profession down. I would hate to have an attitude like yours where you get enjoyment from belittlement. Such a tragic mindframe to have.



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  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    It's the exponential growth that is the worry. Why do you think you UK have backtracked? They are spooked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    Back tracked/spooked? They have vaccine passports and wfh.


    Not even close to the bedwetting going on over here.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    For side effects, Yellow card scheme in the UK is the only real-time record of side effects of medication. Far better than clinical trials. Surprised somebody like yourself and your clinical wouldn't be aware of this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    Intriguing you feel the need to elevate the profession to that of others and label yourself as front line. You're probably not even in the same building as Covid patients. If you are, you're not on the same floor. How on earth could you consider yourself front-line.

    You're no more front line that the IT guy.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    I'm above putting people down others on based on their jobs. It's a bad personality trait. Alas, I do work directly with patients, sorry to break your myopic view of how hospitals work. How else would medicines reconciliation work? Who do you think are the experts on medications in hospital. I'll freely admit in Ireland I don't have diagnostic skills. But in the UK, I worked in an advanced pharmacy practioner role so actually was triaging patients in A+E. It's intriguing how somebody can appear so bitter on an anonymous forum. Anyway hope you are getting some satisfaction in your sneering 👍



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    So you think that this isn't a deadly pandemic? Somebody should inform the WHO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    I'm front line essential according to the government.

    I work in a factory that makes icu ward items...

    I haven't set foot in a hospital in 2 years though.

    But I could drive where ever I wanted during the 5km shite as I had a nice hse letter.

    We got a thank you letter for our work. I am a real hero :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    Oh, so you wander into an ICU ward full of Covid patients, them on ventilators maybe with a hood over their head for a quick chat about their medications with them hardly unconscious or catching a breath.. I did not realize this was possible.

    You're a real hero !



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    I don't work in ICU but have in the past. Not all people in ICU are ventilated. Also patients who present to ICU tend to have spent a few days on a ward and deteriorated on ward despite high flow oxygen.

    Alas, I'm not looking to be a hero. I'm only a humble public worker serving for the public good.

    Also, bizarre that you think medications wouldn't be an important aspect of hospital care. Strange strange personality traits.

    I also wish I had your confidence to speak with authority on things you obviously havent a grasp of.

    We salute you salononfire.

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 74,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


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    Can posters please refrain from claiming any kind of superior knowledge because of their background. Other posters can reasonably assume no professional qualifications whatever a poster may claim

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in thread



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,421 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    All have been used as human shields for Boris (and I include the excessive beyond other countries care home deaths in that).



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    From the guardian:

    South Africa has reported nearly 20,000 new Covid-19 cases on Wednesday, a record since the Omicron variant was detected, and 36 new Covid-related deaths.

    A total of 19,842 new cases was reported by the National Institute for Communicable Diseases, a daily change of 50%.


    I fear omicron will drag us back to Jan 2021. Frustrating.

    Vital to get boosters into everybody before this thing runs us over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 801 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    What's your source on the cumulative effects of lipid nanoparticles only coming from "a jab every week or so"?

    The article states "repeated doses" so what additional information do you have?

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 801 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    The CEO of Netcare, South Africa's biggest healthcare network, says that Omicron symptoms are "far milder", that hospital admissions and community transmission seem to be decoupling, 90% of people in hospital with it are incidental findings, and he thinks the wave can be adequately treated at the tertiary care level.

    So that's all looking very good for everyone except vaccine companies and the people who caused those big stock jumps in vaccine companies on the 26th.

    Fingers crossed.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Steveimitation


    And if it does drag us back to January 2021 and we manage to get booster shots into everybody, then what happens if, this time next year, there is another new variant of concern? Rinse and repeat? What about the year after etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Extraordinary coincidence that Boris Johnson had a video leaked about a Christmas Party a year ago - and the next thing he’s making an announcement reintroducing more more measures and the vaccine pass to access big venues. Something he himself & many conservatives don’t believe in and have stated it on the record many times.

    RTÉ and Claire Byrne are all out trying to portray Boris as ‘bad’ and just introducing the measures as a ‘distraction’….ya right. If RTÉ are setting that narrative, you can be sure it’s the opposite. He was quite flustered at a speech recently - almost like he’d been spooked or shocked by something preceding it….then the propaganda pieces from Ant & Dec…

    If this were a movie - Boris would be threatened behind the scenes to introduce Covid passports in England by some unknown power that has untold influence and wants to destroy western democracies….and if he didn’t the next leak would be far worse. But this isn’t a movie, this is real life and real people being affected - Boris is just ‘bad’ trying to protect the people of England from discrimination with no Science behind it…Claire Byrne asking should he resign….the Prime Minister who oversaw a much faster vaccine roll out than our own, reopened society fully in the summer & got most of the Covid response of 2021 spot on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,431 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Boris Johnson is a fúcking joke. He's a liar and a charlatan. He got very little right apart from the initial speedy vaccine roll out which we ended up overtaking them with by a long way.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Could say the same about our government. At least UK opened up ours didn't even get that far.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    • England has been living restriction free for months, they reopened in July while our idiots talked about hurricane force Covid Delta winds hitting over the summer.
    • England didn’t roll out the vaccine passport in the summer - they’re suddenly reluctantly doing it after this scandal broke. Ireland couldn’t wait to roll it out, NPHET keep requesting it get expanded at every opportunity also.
    • All festivals in the U.K. went ahead, and in the North. Ireland cancelled electric picnic and had no major proper concerts or events this summer and have once again screwed over the entertainment industry here.
    • Ireland’s vaccine uptake was high because the Government, NPHET and a group of Professors promised our lives would return to normal if we took it. That didn’t happen. In fact as soon as many people had taken the second dose, Pfizer started with press releases re ‘waning’. Ireland decided Oct 22nd coming into winter would be pretend day - they were fast to turn that one around. Now we’ve Luke O’Neill and Varadkar attempting to change the goalposts pretending it’s suddenly a ‘3 dose vaccine’ with Varadkar also saying maybe even a 4th dose needed.




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