Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

How many are taken up by obese people?

Thats your problem, you only care about vaccine status for who you want to be discriminated against.

The ICU beds are not taken up by unvaccinated 20 year olds.

So why are you drawing the line at vaccination status?

Why not age? Ban only those over 50 who aren't vaccinated would be at least a more accurate assessment of those at risk to need ICU.

What the logical argument for banning a 20 year old fit man who isn't ever going to end up in ICU?

I know that site (among others) intimately - an odd assertion to make.

I remember such times on that site you reference - like the time in oct when they reported (and was quoted by all leaders and Nphet) the unvaccinated were clogging the hospitals and their only report ran from April despite ireland only going 50% fully vaccinated on July 21. I remember that.

That's sh1te stats or misinformation - take your pick.

The UK and CDC stats are much more informative.

RED HERRING FALLACY!

Your argument is that unvaccinated people are more likely to end up in ICU. You are arguing they are at risk FROM the virus themselves. Nothing to do with YOU because you are vaccinated and protected.

So stick to the one topic at a time. We are talking about personal risk of ending up in ICU which is what you are using to argue for the passes.

You are claiming that unvaccinated are more at risk of ending up in ICU. That isn't about them infecting others so you can't say obesity isn't infectious because that isn't the point you are making by quoting how many unvaccinated are in ICU. It is a logical fallacy and a massive red herring.

Now that I have pointed out your blatant fallacy, please explain why a healthy unvaccinated person who won't end up in ICU EVER from covid, is somehow responsible for ICU capacity?

You are banning people one 1 health metric, but allowing others who while vaccinated are at more risk than the healthy young man can go about their lives.

Explain your logic

Unvaccinated children are allowed indoor dining correct?

Why is that? Because they aren't the ones ending up in ICU right?

So why is an 18 year old unvaccinated person who is also not going to end up in ICU treated differently to a 10 year old in a resturant.

Both are not at risk of taking up ICU capacity.

Keep repeating the 50% but you can't explain why we should ban all unvaccinated people (bar children) even though the median age is 50+

being recovered gets you a time limited pass.

But i'd be angry anyway with this sh1te was carrying on pass or not.

On a personal level I'm grand, the loss of freedoms and descent into rule by dictak from unelected civil servants and the government who follow their lead is what worries and angers me more.

If people can't see we don't live in a free society anymore if our freedoms are granted at the pleasure of the "powers that be" on the premise we do what they say - then we are lost. But the Irish people don't , the old bread & circus is replaced with a desire for pints and dining out.

In 1984 winston went down the proles living quarters and found just that - it's so apt for Ireland.

For all his sh1te talk , I do admire the British and Boris attitude of carrying on and living with covid.

Then why did donnelly mention immuno as a stat? he said 82%

I wish I knew why the stats weren't more exact.

It's easy to make blanket statement , it's easier to hide the exact truth , incompetance. who knows?

What about the vaccinated nurses who were in the clubs for the last 6 weeks mixing and spreading covid. As clearly shown by our massive increase numbers after the reopening (to the vaccinated only). The passes didn't work so they are now closing down clubs again. But she can still go into work. Ban nurses from hospitality? Sounds good doesn't it. They are the front line workers...and so are you right? You shouldn't be allowed indoors as you are then placing your patients at even greater risk. And not only that Dazzler, you are the traveling pharmacist. Much more chance of you spreading covid to the vulnerable than and 18 year old unvaccinated lad who works in a chipper and only hangs around with his friends.

So given that passes didn't work for night clubs or bars and we now have to restrict them again...please explain to me how the covid pass works to stop the spread?

Because you have given up on the pass stopping the unvaccinated ending up in ICU (because most of them wont)

FFS Its not my argument.

I am using your "logic" and applying it in the same manner and asking you why you support banning all unvaccinated people (except kids??) and only using 8% of the population instead of 25% (the actual unvaccinated population) when comparing against ICU numbers. Last time I checked ICU wasn't exclusive to those above a certain age.

Or is it because you are fully aware children aren't going into ICU?

Therefore if children aren't to be counted because they won't end up in ICU, why is a 16-18 year old now counted? They arent going into ICU either.

So again I ask.

Why are you okay banning a health unvaccinated 18 year old. But not a 10 year old from indoor dining. Because that is age discrimination. Or will you want to ban a 10 year old from a meal with their family once the vaccines are approved for them?

So if we can discriminate by age. Why aren't you only calling for those most likely to end up in ICU (50+ unvaccinated)

Again. I am not asking for this to happen. I am pointing out the illogical use of covid passes using the same backward logic you use to promote them.

Children are going to ICU.

1 in ICU as of last night out of 13 in children's hospital. You seem to be spouting lies after lies.

So far its talk of working from home and vaccine passes ? ie the stuff we never even managed to get out from under before adding even more on top.

Let me know when Boris closes nightclubs and insists pantos and "Community events" (read: santa visits and/or anything that might bring joy to children or young people,) run at half capacity (which is really just a way to hobble them and hope they shut voluntarily.)

And as others said there's distraction at play in the UK also.

a bold but inaccurate statement

FFS are you dense?

Children dont end up in ICU in any way that would make sense to restrict their movements in society. Is this the point we are at?

If you think children in general are at risk from covid and they are unvaccinated do you support banning them from indoor dining?

Of course not because they aren't at risk. (risk being almost 0. We all know outliers who end up sick)

Into the weeds we go now.

Ill stick to my comment that Children (plural) aren't at risk.

Looks like the 5-11 age group is next

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/niac-recommends-all-children-aged-5-to-11-should-be-offered-covid-vaccine/ar-AARBubX?ocid=entnewsntp

Because they’ve plenty of vaccine in stock and immunocompromised & vulnerable would benefit from a booster. A company with so much to gain sure has a study out in double quick time re Omnicron. I would be interested to read it, where the populations are that have had boosters and are in touch with this strain & how they can reach this conclusion so fast.

I’m completely against the turn this has taken for the general population- mandatory vaccination requirements being brought in in Austria & Germany. Basically being forced to take these products who also have no liability if something goes wrong - it’s inhumane and disgraceful. The US are trying to bring in no jab no job policies in Democrat controlled states - which are being appealed to courts.