Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Same in Germany the are trying to get everyone on the Moderna booster because they have 16 million sat in fridges.

Do people not understand risk? To live you take the chance of risk and all that it entails; it is embedded in what it is to be a human being, that was true 50,000 years ago and it is true today. People seem to be unable to get their heads around the idea that more normality will equal more case numbers. I thought the point of living with covid was that people would accept the risk of catching the virus but there was a collective understanding that to be alive is not the same as living.

I think more of us need to get covid(knowingly); it still has that connotation of 'Oh, such and such HAS covid', the more people have it and experience it as a benign illness the more it will lose significance in the mind.

I'd love to know what people are waiting for? A generation of old people to die alone and scared and for the other half to die restricted and depressed? I am amazed by the impact that signalling can have on people; 2 weeks ago covid was waning then health professionals and governments around Europe come out and raise the possibility that a new variant may be more virulent(importantly, not more deadly) and people retreat back into their holes acting as if every little behaviour will have an impact. In fairness to NPHET and Govt. they did put forward the idea of reduced interactions to limit the chance of spread but people don't hear this, they either turn it into a meme or take it to mean that the world is going to burn and any social interaction will have disastrous consequences. Another thing I've noticed people seem to think that it is possible to get 'more covid' depending on how many people you're around, as far as I know this is not true, of course you increase the chances of getting the virus but more people doesn't equal a stronger infection. So people will be content to go to moderately large gatherings in 'safe' places but feel unsafe in places such as clubs which seem unsafer but really are they? I've heard of people who will go to Avoca for lunch but not out to a restaurant dinner but anybody that has been to Avoca knows that the place is always extremely busy. Again it's more perception than any real estimation of risk.

It is true the world is changing, however as adults in a democracy, it is healthy to question health policies that are not for health benefit of the people anymore. It is healthy to look around us and see how are the powers that be, are actually using that power.. and people with power can and have overstepped it.. they have broken our constitutional rights (travel etc) and keep extending that power.. without the vote of the people..

This is what makes society, different people with different view points.. people following illogical restrictions on daily life , in my opinion.. is not a healthy new world to be moving towards..

I dont think vaccines are evil,I think for those that need them, they are very much essential.. I do feel however, it is a personal choice and I respect that. nor do I think the government is full of bad people...never said that...I would hate to have their job.. but I do feel the discussion needs to be opened to ask more questions... and people just going along with everything prevents that from happening.. the media not asking questions etc ..

I feel you keep trotting out these percentages without actually thinking about what you are saying.

You are acting like its a massive number of people.

50% of a small number of people is still a small number of people.

There is absolutely no scientific basis for restricting the majority of unvaccinated healthy people who will NEVER end up in hospital.

If there were 20 people in ICU and all unvaccinated would you be going on about 100%?

Or

If there 500 people in ICU and 10% were unvaccinated would you then consider that the passes aren't needed?

Despite the total numbers being higher?

By your dumbass logic we could also start dividing down how many people in ICU are Obese and then put restrictions on them.

Oh look 50% of people in ICU are Obese. Better ban ALL obese people from the gyms.

Think about your logic.

Gyms = Good for health for everyone and proven effectiveness at keeping weight down. Reducing chances of needing ICU due to being obese

Unvaccinated = More at risk if they are fat and unhealthy

Solution = Don't let those at risk stay in good shape because they might put the vaccinated people at risk from a virus the vaccine is supposed to protect them against...

BECAUSE SAFETY!

Safety for who?

You are vaccinated so are you not safe?

Vaccines so effective at stopping the spread that only the unvaccinated are allowed indoors with the same restrictions being brought back in as when nobody was vaccinated during 2020.

Oh and don't forget ""HAHA!!! WE CAN TRAVEL NICE AND EASY WITH OUR PASSES!!!"" oh wait...now we ALL have to do covid tests.

So your vaccines gave your freedom back?

Just bend over there again, spread your arse. We have more freedoms to give you.

**** me theres so much idle speculation in your posts its astonishing.

1) very few people, including immunocompromised actually have contraindications to getting the vaccine. Fact.

2) 70% came from other wards? Eh, that's how most people get admitted to ICU! You're just speculating that they got covid in hospital with no evidence (tho that doesnt diminish the degree of hospital resources utilised when someone has covid, no matter how mild it is).

3) under 18s can get the vaccine, its licenced from under 12 up.

This **** thread sometimes illustrates all that's wrong with society now. Mere speculation by people who haven't any knowledge or expertise and get to push their own agenda with no knowledge of the underlying issues and too arrogant to admit their own limitations.

Convenient way of deflecting from the party issue in number 10... oh look over there

of course its' idle speculation. cos they don't issue solid statistics - that was a large trust of my point.

so thanks for agreeing with me .

you could bet your life on it !

there is something insidious about the moral high ground many in irish society have adopted - slowly but surely over time demanding compliance under penalty for refusal.

its' not about a virus with a really low death rate (nearly exclusively in elderly people) which they have been vaccinated for.

It's a social/political revenge on people who don't (for whatever reason) follow the accepted trends.

This is the issue.

If you have socialised health care you can't ban people for ANY reason. Its a social contract that we agree to that says "despite your life choices, you will be helped no matter what, because its the right thing to do"

Ironically those in favour in it want to ban people because of their choice.

Fine. Lets ban any health care for people who make any choice that puts them in a bad position.

Fat and need a new heart? No you shouldn't get one tubby

Had sex willingly and got pregnant? tough ****, pay for your own pregnancy care

Smoked 20 a day for 30 years? No cancer treatment for you, you selfish fool..

This is the road they want to open up?

Now who in ICU currently fits into each of the above categories.

Think you will find as the OP posted, that information isn't available

We don't have a clear break down of why some people are vaccinated for each of their own reasons. Whether stupidity (in your opinion) or otherwise.

Posting the definitions of what makes someone vaccinatable or not doesn't tell us anything.

They are just guidelines.

There are no facts beyond the facts that there are guidelines.

Post numbers in ICU who fall into each of the above

How many are taken up by obese people?

Thats your problem, you only care about vaccine status for who you want to be discriminated against.

The ICU beds are not taken up by unvaccinated 20 year olds.

So why are you drawing the line at vaccination status?

Why not age? Ban only those over 50 who aren't vaccinated would be at least a more accurate assessment of those at risk to need ICU.

What the logical argument for banning a 20 year old fit man who isn't ever going to end up in ICU?