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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭hesaidshesaid


    I agree with you that kids are paying the price for adults’ incompetence but I would lay the blame at the door of certain NPHET members who are ignoring the experts in measures such as improved ventilation. Even Luke O’Neill, generally optimistic, was shaking his head in disbelief today on Newstalk with Pat Kenny, there’s a clip online somewhere. He clearly believes, as do so many others, that ventilation should have been addressed long before masks were considered. MM and SD and NF and the rest just parrot off the ‘Public Health advice tells us’ line ad nauseum, and in a way you can see why, they have no personal expertise in these areas. They need something to hang their hat on. It’s just unfortunate that some of those whose opinions they follow seem to have a blank spot around ventilation. The worrying thing is that this points to certain members of NPHET and AMRIC not having accepted the international consensus that Covid 19 is an airborne disease with aerosol transmission. This has serious implications for all of their recommendations to government.

    The bottom line here is, air filters for every classroom would cost the government about 12 million. Parents pay for masks.

    As an aside, last night the government voted to give 17 million in funding to the Greyhound racing industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    government would prefer spend money topping up the state pension or other cheap exercises in vote harvesting , as usual in this country , the young are the least important and the population are fine with it

    parents should take to the streets and demand that filters are installed in every school in the country , seeing as opposing masks isnt respectable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    other poster said " no one objects to proven safety measures "

    making driving illegal is a sure fire way to prevent death , all death should be prevented , covid has taught us this understood principle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    I don't see how, this thread is all about risk, crossing the road outside the school has a far greater risk of serious injury and death than Covid would to a primary schooler - banning cars must be the conclusion so if risk minimisation is the goal.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I walk a grandchild to school and today the irony struck me . The over 9.s asked to wear masks while at the same time they have not replaced a sick Lollypop lady for months .The kids cross a dangerous road to get to school and twice a day face a far greater risk than Covid .But no one has addressed this issue since Mid September and parents have to try get kids safely across this road and help other kids get safely across . Now I understand it is two different departments but we all noticed the irony of the situation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Wife works in a Letterkenny school only 11 of 29 pupils in today with 3 confirmed cases but according to the government it's kids parties not schools that's the problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    And what do you suggest to do. Close the schools again. Give me a break



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Acey10


    I'm subbing in schools atm and the staffroom today was full of talk about schools closing the 10th or 17th December instead of the 22nd.. I really hope they don't close them after Christmas.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,283 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Its the same in my kids school - lots of kids out sick. It doesnt necessarily mean they have covid though. Colds etc are spreading rapidly too and as we all know we must keep our kids at home if they show any symptoms. Kids are picking up every bug and virus going this year - its not just covid.

    People hearing high absense's from schools are wrongly jumping to the conclusion that all the kids out must have covid! - which isnt the case at all. Since us parents are no longer notified when there is a case in our kids classes I ask my kids daily what kids are out in their classes - high numbers are out sick but kids are back to school in 2/3/4 days. Luckily no kids have been out for 2 weeks - I know we are very lucky with this as its not the case in every school.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    There has recently been three cases in my sons classroom. None of kids were sick, the parents initially caught cases via antigen testing. On some days this year there has been over half the class missing, but most of them had colds and were back after a couple of days. My son has missed at least 12 days of school this year due to colds. Every family I know is having same issue. Kids are missing loads of school and the ones susceptible to colds are catching repeated colds one after another. My own son hasn’t caught this many bugs since he first started in crèche all those years ago. It makes me wonder if lockdown had an effect on his immune system.

    Its not just covid going around right now.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    I've heard the talk of schools closing the 17th in my school too, but I recall the same thing last year. Doubt it'll happen.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I'd rather they closed early and reopened on time after Christmas.

    However I still expect the same media circus of "will they /won't they/should they/shouldn't they" in the first week of January.It is absolute Groundhog day at this stage, you can write the script.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Same rumours last year.

    Some schools will be doing exams up until the 22nd so if they were true you'd think that would be communicated early next week.

    It won't happen but they can't just drop an announcement to close at the last minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭pah


    A better analogy is seatbelts. Cars drive around the road all the time without crashing but when they do would you not prefer your child to be wearing a seatbelt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Just incase anyone is taken in by this nonsense, have a read about the CEO of the Principa Scientific International. Amongst other things he is a climate change denier. Put bluntly this organisation is not reputable and is peddling rubbish.



    Climate deniers and anti-vax. Not scientists.

    https://www.desmog.com/principia-scientific-international/

    From the link:

    In 2013, PSI also began to promote unfounded claims that wind turbines make people sick and that childhood vaccines were “one of the largest most evil lies in history.” [9]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Here is a study conducted by the Centre for Disease Control in America. It reports on the effectiveness of mask wearing in schools. They work.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait




  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Yep, main thread is also unreadable due to downright stupidity. Indistinguishable from the anti-everything paranoid insights of the facebook fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Genuine question, do mods not get alerts about reported posts anymore or have they taken a different approach to moderation now?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    They're having massive trouble seeing reports ever since they updated the site. I'm having a similar issue on another section of the forum where trolling and clear rule breaches most of the time go unpunished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Oh ok I actually hadn't realised that there was an issue, I thought it was some sort of weird policy change and was wondering why so much was being let go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Heard some news reports on rte yesterday from South Africa stating there was a large spike in children getting hospitalised with this Omicron variant, hopefully that's not true and is just bullshit pushing kids to get vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,725 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    With all due respect, there are far too many unqualified idiots embedded in social media threads.

    Idiots throwing out all sorts of ‘claims’ and ‘theories’ and ‘ ‘conspiracies’ with nothing whatsoever to back them up, and no qualifications to even give their rubbish the slightest veneer of credibility.


    I will always take the qualified opinion over that of grunts just horsing out bulldust for the sake of it.

    That would seem to be common sense, even if I don’t like what the qualified opinion is at times.

    We need to realise that there seems to be a rump of the hard right well embedded out there who’s agenda is to shout down everyone.

    Media have ,in my opinion, huge influence in all this, RTE attacking everything, newspapers with lurid headlines to attract idiots who are ‘click baited’ to buy them.

    Very little positivity, very little balance, the hurler on the ditch being supported over those who are in the trenches fighting.


    I despair a bit for this country, to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The Taoiseach has rejected the 12 million euro claim. He said the installation of a HEPA filter in every classroom in the country would have cost 80 million euro.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2021-11-30/3/#spk_220



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    Better to spend that money paying panto actors to be on the dole for Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Or spending million on a huge poster with Level 1-6 in full colour for every household .

    Yeh that went well didnt it



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I don't think the performing arts got up to 80 million euro, to be honest!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    Youre right, Catherine Martin said there was 25 million in the pot for them.


    Not an unsubstantial amount all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    That's because the Government are ethically bound to ignore and multiply any quote they got. Remember being shocked a few years ago when the Dept of Ed spent almost 23m for the Harolds Cross Greyhound site, when the valuation had been 12m...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/bord-na-gcon-to-use-6m-from-harold-s-cross-sale-to-improve-other-dog-tracks-1.4044458

    I'm sure I remember similar for the Shellybanks site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I hear on NT there a few mins ago that the Department has revised the guidelines to schools to say that children should not be excluded for not wearing a mask, but rather that the school should engage "pragmatically and sensitively" with the parents.

    That's the end of that so.. removed without actually removing it. Sounds like someone in the Department got legal advice. Should never have been introduced in the first place.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I know of one child on the spectrum, who will now be home schooled, because while she has an exemption from wearing a mask, she doesn't want to be the only one not wearing a mask.

    Unintended consequences - kids don't think like adults.This is the developmental stuff we have all forgotten as adults.Decision makers need to really think about the necessity of these rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Our primary school has now ceased homework for the remainder of term.

    They were always homework-lite, but this is taking the proverbial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭bladespin


    They reduce outbreaks among those unlikely to be seriously affected?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Why?(to both points -if you don't mind me asking)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    They provide a calming influence for those led by the hysteria and hyperbolic nonsense that characterises virtually our entire response to this "crisis" and the media coverage/level of "debate" on same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,298 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I don't know if it's the whole school this time, but 2 classes at least. Back in September when they abstained from homework, it was school-wide.

    I'm presuming Covid overheads for the teacher is the justification, but those Covid overheads often seem to apply in the run-up to a break. There were also homework-less periods for the week leading up to mid term, sub week and some other random treat days for the pupils. Out of 90ish school days this term, I think there has been homework for around 30 of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    There's only 2 full weeks left of school for this term and more generally it's a good move on the schools part.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'm not understanding why homework is an issue wrt covid?

    Our school has plenty of homework.

    Will be interesting to hear what teachers had to say about masks today once kids get home. My 2 are wearing them ok, they have no issue with them but I know some parents (not many) were taking a stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Homework at primary school level is generally viewed as being of limited benefit to students. I'd imagine your school is either phasing it out or reducing it in line with the evidence. Many schools are redrafting their homework policies. I can't see the connection between it and covid but happy to be corrected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,725 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Would the fact that the teachers might be handling thirty copybooks a day every day, coming from all different households not be a bit of an issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Unlikely, all homework is photographed and submitted online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    No. Well it shouldn't be. Fomite transmission looks to be very unlikely. Almost negligible. Its all about the air we breathe.

    This is incompetently (or conveniently, depending on which way you look at it) rarely talked about by government and health officials in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Surinamo


    Smiling reduces stress levels and stimulates endorphins as does being smiled at. Babies and young children love to see smiles 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Alot of parents fail to realize that a significant proportion of teachers who like to give out significant amounts of homework are sometimes compensating for what should have been done in the classroom. If the material was properly covered in the classroom that day, there's little need for much in the way of homework and this is particularly true in primary schools and in the younger classes. Parents would do well to remember this and that giving out lots of homework does not necessarily equate to a good teacher and good teaching.



  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭brookers


    Our School has become fairly lite on homework too, I am delighted, homework achieves nothing, gives parents a pain their ass, causes nothing but stress, my girls walk to school and walk home and according to their teacher put in a great effort at school and work hard. They are shattered by 4pm and up at 7am. About time schools gave it up completely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30 Surinamo


    Homework can be beneficial. One rencounters information in a different setting (home) and helps embed knowledge and skill. But too much of anything is counterproductive. School day could be shortened -too much emphasis on knowledge and not enough on cultivating wisdom. I wonder if students feel tirder after a days mask wearing - Whatever about benefits, I would assume oxygen intake is decreased with some significance with partially restrictive breathing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Ah, "fail to realize" and "would do well to remember". Some old school phraseology there.



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