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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    To me, it's simple math. How many people are you saving (and the composition of that group is important) Vs how many lives are you ruining. I was very supportive of lockdown at the start of all this as none of us knew anything and it was definitely best to err on the side of caution, but for the last 6 months imo, we are curtailing more life than we're saving. We've spent almost 2 years now making life very difficult to actually live for everyone, and whilst a period of it was very justified, it isn't anymore imo. Anyone who wants to be vaccinated, can be free to take it and it should be very much advised for elderly and vulnerable people, much like the flu vaccine, but for others, let them live. We should put more resources into the health service to cater for this, or better allocate the existing resources, and maybe even setting up some covid only treatment centres would be worthwhile.

    Things like covid certs, constant lockdown and fear (this is the more troublesome one imo as people are not doing things cos they're afraid there'll be restrictions and they're financially out) and mandatory vaccinations should all be off the table. We need to just go on with this, do our best to protect those who need protection but let people go when those protections are hurting more lives than they save.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    First, let's have some clarity from you. "A relatively restriction free summer", "zero restrictions the last few months". Do you stand by these statements? That will determine my future responses to you.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    50% I believe. Not sure what the story still where tickets are already sold. Haven't seen anything definitive there yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    But we have to because the government and NPHET have decided to effectively close or seriously cripple businesses for no reason other than a seriously not fit for purpose health system and Tony’s own ego



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    To be fair to Raind, he has been critical of NPHET for a few decisions they've made lately.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Thanks for explaining yourself. I completely understand what you're saying, even if I don't agree on a lot of it - especially the lives being saved VS lives being ruined. This is completely anecdotal but I know of no one whose life has been ruined by this. That isn't to say that there aren't people who have been, I'm sure many thousands of people in this country feel they are at the point where their life is currently ruined. I also know of people who have had coronavirus and been extremely sick from it, and I know at least one person close to a family member of mine who died. I myself had coronavirus and was lucky enough to be post vaccine and wasn't even remotely sick bar one night of fever. It had a severe impact on my mental health as I had spent so long abiding by all the rules and being known for being extremely cautious, and yet I got it. I have thankfully recovered mentally from it having going to my doctor and looking at appropriate ways of dealing with that, but it wasn't easy. Post recovery I spent countless days unable to get out of bed, spending most of the day asleep as I couldn't handle my thoughts awake. So I completely understand that coronavirus is more than a problem for physical health, it is mental health too. I just feel sometimes it's only one part of mental health that is the focus of it. I fear Long Covid and the effect it will have on people who have had it, including me. But that's my opinion, yours' and others' are or may be completely different and that's okay. I appreciate your civility in the answer and I hope I was as civil back


    What I will say is that it's Friday night so if you (and anyone can) reading this is able to choose to forget about coronavirus tonight, do. I'll be following my own advice and logging off here now. Have a nice night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭celt262




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,726 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Basically you follow Dr Tony, Michael, Stevie D, a few old ones, one's who've diseases, one's who have loads of money and are settled down(IE They aren't loosing a job and have a partner) and few one's who are afraid of everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I've been pretty critical of NPHET all the way through and their kite flying and delaying the country reopening till almost Winter which has meant, inevitably, that restrictions happen.

    You can see what they're at, they want the numbers to drop about 25% before Omicron takes hold (if it does) as that could push R up enough that case numbers explode (and hospitalisations will follow).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Hard on people no doubt but Covid isn't going anywhere unfortunately. Time for citizens to toughen up and realise this is a long term battle that won't be won in a year or two but hopefully over the coming decade or so.

    Masks, social distancing, rolling restrictions etc.. are the new norm now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred


    Tell us what had you so frit the last 6 months….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Whilst ruined might be a strong word, I do think it's apt.

    There are people who've gone to college and not been able to have a normal experience. There are people who've had to hold off on weddings and progressing with their live due to this. There are people who have likely not had cancer screenings done due to this. Housing has become an even bigger issue on this country due to closing of the construction industry for so long and the knock on effects that has had. There are people, like myself for this one, who suffer with mental health issues and social anxiety and have gone backwards in progress they were making due to the months of being isolated. There are likely people who've taken their own lives due to the social isolation and the lack of outlets they've had due to lockdowns (there's one somewhat famous person who this was a likely contributer to). There are people who've not been able to say goodbye to family members die to travel rules as they've lived in different countries. There are people who have suffered financially a lot through these lockdowns. There are probably countless more examples I can give.

    What we're doing in these lockdowns or restrictions is not without a cost. Everyone's acceptance of what that cost should be is probably different but to me, we've gone too far to the wrong side of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭eggy81


    No. No they don’t. Who’s the most people you do be talking to. Everyone I know can’t wait to turf these utter utter cnuts out of government. To a man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭DarkJager21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Now that you phrase it that way, I know many people who have had examples of that, including some for myself in your list. I misunderstood your use of the word ruined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Humans just aren’t wired like that. Government can have all the restrictions they want but there comes a time where people will revert back to their normal behaviour. This Christmas there will be more families then last year having a normal Christmas with lots of visitors etc with zero masks and no social distancing. You really think people will give up a decade of their lives or their children’s lives and obediently follow restrictions every year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭robbiezero




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    We are ultimately chasing worldwide zero Covid. It's not going to happen. It's going to be floating around in variant form for the next decade. There is some pipe dream that people thought we would have that we would have a day where we would have zero Covid cases, even for a day or two. It is not going to happen.

    The only way out of this is by us all getting the virus. Unfortunately there will be a lot of people dead. But if the virus has your name on it, its game over anyway. Restrictions or no restrictions.

    We are just going to faff around for years doing these semi lockdowns, just to prolonge people's lives in misery and fear for a few years. When people who can be saved from regular ailments are going to die.

    Detected cancer was down 13% last year in Ireland. Really? It just dropped magically? Younger people under 50 are developing untreated cancer and other diseases, but they don't matter. Covid stats are what matters.

    So we prolonge the virus and the untreated cancer patients will be in a worse state and who had no threat of the virus now, will suddenly be vulnerable with this prolonged virus.

    It makes no effing sense in what we are doing. Fighting it month by month with no plan for the future. No acknowledgement of the damage it is doing.

    We've had 5000 deaths in Ireland from Covid (and we all know that figure is bullshit). Realistically how many more Covid deaths are we going to have over the next 5 years? Maybe 3-4000.

    As I said, detected cancer is doing 13% last year. 45000 get cancer in Ireland every year. 13% is around 5000. Now have 2-3-4 years of 13 percents. That is just cancer alone.

    The trade off is simple. The numbers are easy to read. The option to take is simple. Lifting all restrictions will save more lives in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭hopgirl


    You get a 6 month covid pass without having to take a booster 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Just as I suspected. You can't be taken seriously. "Zero restrictions the last few months"... aye.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Vaccinated people lining up to get tested is a joke.as long as people go along this crap won’t stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Or just get on with it and let old people die. Because thats the reality, 85 year olds die from covid. I dont care about a single death of covid thats been announced apart from the 1 that was my own grandmother. I dont care about a single other person that has died of/from/with covid. Actually i dont care about the death of any stranger. If i took my life tonight and left 4 children without a mother because this has affected me so badly, you wouldnt care. You may think youd care, but you wouldnt. And thats OK. Its normal not to care about strangers deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭17larsson


    ICU numbers down again. More restrictions.

    I'm struggling to keep rational about this. I know once you get emotional about a subject it's impossible to think clearly about it but I need to try harder because at the moment my mindset is **** this government, **** these restrictions and **** this **** virus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    There are vaccinated people in hospital and even some in ICU, so, no, it's not a joke that people are lining up to be tested.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    and what underlying conditions have those people.testing fully jabbed people still is lunacy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass




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