Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

what happened omicron A?

Given the fact though that the vaccines don't work anywhere near as well as we were lead to believe, and aren't stopping the virus in any meaningful way (not even in hospitalisation and deaths after a few months), the question is...why ? Why are they so desperate for everyone to sign up for the vaccination subscription plan and get them into the system of electronic passes just to live life?

Theres also the timing issue. Covid is seasonal. It spikes every winter, and starts dying down every spring. What exactly will be the point in bringing in mandatory vaccinations when the winter is already over? By spring hospitals across Europe won't be under strain any more, so it loses any (thin to begin with) logic surely.

They can take the credit then. A lot of these measures seem to brought in when the surge has already reached its peak. It will decline anyway even without restrictions and forced shots. Florida and other US states have shown this. Hopefully this winter is the last major surge, last chance to justify "health" passes surely

Oh FFS.

*rolleyes*

Our constitution also protects freedom of movement, freedom to earn a living ect does is not ? Seems anything unconstitutional is OK in the name of public health

Public health will be next to go

If they wanted an accurate model (that's debatable) but they could be assuming that 75% of the population are fully vaccinated and 75% of those recovered would be fully vaccinated, so recovered and double vaccinated, meaning for the assumption of the model they don't have to account for waining in the recovered group.

Probably make more sence lobbing them in with those boostered (assuming they account for that, who knows though)

Actually not completely. Natural immunity from infection triggers multiple different responses. Immunity isn't all antibodies

T-Cell immunity, Mucosal immunity

Anecdotally, I got covid 5 months ago. People I work with hadn't got it but had all been vaccinated. They are slowly dropping like flies to covid infections. Meanwhile I am fine. I also go out and interact socially far more than they do.

We also have a massive case study that was Sarscov1. Immunity from natural infection lasting up to 17 years.

The vaccines aren't as good as hoped.

The best thing to happen now would be for all vaccinated people to catch a mild dose and reach a better level of immunity

That is why we should get rid of all restrictions. Let everyone get the mild dose and move on.

Vaccines stop hospitalisations and deaths right? then we should okay

Important to note that the Townsend et al estimate of immune durability from SARS-CoV-2 infection is based on mathematical modelling and is, as admitted by the authors, severely limited by a dearth of reliable data for the other coronaviruses used for comparison, particularly SARS-CoV and MERS, the closest known coronavirus relatives of SARS-CoV-2, as well as being limited to antibody analysis, with no consideration for B- or T-cell mediated immunity in the longer term.

This is the first pandemic where mathematical modelling has been used in real time and as we've seen from previous efforts to predict case numbers and so on, there will be huge failures to be learned from.

Your last point is solid. It's believed that most of the circulating human-infecting coronaviruses started like SARS-CoV-2, affecting older/sicker people much more severely and younger people hardly at all, but leaving behind B- and T- cell mediated immunity such that later infections are more easily dealt with and therefore milder. By the time you've gone through a decade or two of the virus being endemic you end up with a population that has contracted the coronavirus in early life and had disease that presents as a common cold, and the next time they contract the same virus a good few years later after antibody waning, their B- and T-cell mediated immunity kicks in and they get a mild dose. So in (relatively) short order you have a population for whom the coronavirus infection is an annoying and occasionally repeating inconvenience but not serious (unless they are very old and/or very sick - the very rare cases that can currently get taken out by the common cold). We can only hope.

Varadkar saying this morning he'd be skeptical about further restrictions while he defends a midnight closure of hospitality... Makes me wonder where he draws the line...