Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Yes. It would have sounded far-fetched. I didn't think it would happen. That doesn't mean anyone can spout anything on this thread by way of fear mongering and hope it'll stick.

Is it possible that it is to 'encourage' vaccine take-up when it becomes available.

Have been talking to quite a few parents and none are too excited about sending their children for this vaccine.

The only people I know in real life who are gung-ho on getting children vaccinated don't have children themselves.

Well, I think extending the vax passes onto children - since they now have proof of concept and the infrastructure is already in place - is actually far less far-fetched than the initial fear that they would be introduced for adults. I think it's a fairly real possibility, and far from 'fear mongering' to suggest it may in fact happen. We should be aware of this imo and ready to resist it if it comes to pass.

There's a possibility that the message has suddenly changed recently around children being a problem due to the recent approval by NIAC for young children to get the vaccines but that sounds an awful lot like it belongs in a conspiracy theory (which to date may mean it's entirely possible).

Vaccines are doing what they were promised to do. Reduce serious illness and death.

Jan 2021 before we really had any worthwhile numbers vaccinated we had 103,910 cases and 1,081 deaths for the month. Oct. 2021 with vaccines we have had 117,412 cases and 423 deaths. A 13% increase in cases yet a 255% reduction in deaths.

So pissing away €50-60million for absolutely no absolutely proven benefit isn't a bad thing?

Jesus, the cavalier attitude of some on here to the shameful waste of finite recourses is breathtaking. The same lads will be out in their droves in a few years complaining when services are cut to service our debt. Does anyone seriously believe that interest rates will remain this low as infimum? We are fcuked once the rates are risen and there is already talk of inflation in the US and UK.

But yeah, fcuk it lets piss away another wad of cash to be seen to be doing something.

The architects of this will be sitting with a cozy ministerial pension, well insulated from the fall out, when you and your kids are still paying for this nonsense.

I don’t understand people on here saying they won’t be complying if more restrictions/lockdown is introduced. The last thing I want is more restrictions, I’m sick of Covid. But if everywhere is shut down, we will all have to? There will be nowhere to go out to.

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Resist how? Nothing has been resisted thus far.

A lot of people around here hate restrictions, but love to cheer on or even engage in the kind of behaviour that brings on restrictions. Go figure...

The people who do follow restrictions are actually doing more to bring about an end to them than all the mouthy bluster you'll read in here.

Colour me shocked, your response is completely inline with the current position of the Government, NPHET and HSE.

We will all be ‘back to normal’ in Feb. The new legislation will just sail off into the sunset then. Just like the Covid passport was supposed to be finished domestically in Oct & NPHET were supposed to be wound down.

Also specifically for myo and pericarditis, the risk is greater after the 2nd dose than the 1st - that is, more people suffer these injuries after dose 2 than dose 1. So there may even be something to be said for more vaccinations increasing the risk more than the cumulative risk expected.

I largely agree with a lot of what you say, especially re yer man. I'm not convinced that children are not significant vectors at the moment though. To my layman's thinking, they must be, given how rampant it is in the schools. That's not "putting responsibility" on them, its just an opinion. Even if its a fact, its still not putting responsibility on them, its just they way it is. I'd rather government said that the spread in schools is the price we're willing to pay to keep schools open, or they were even more honest and said we need the childcare that schools provide.

With regard to changing advice, pretty much everyone in the world is learning as they go with this. I'd be more worried if initial beliefs were never changed with new evidence or data. I'd think very differently if our approach wasn't broadly similar to most every other western country, if we were complete outliers, then yeah, I'd be very concerned. Arguing over closing times for pubs (honestly I don't get the midnight thing making any difference) or whether X was closed 3 weeks longer than Y in the summer is pointless IMHO.

Meh, I dunno, I mean, I get that everyone is pi$$ed off with this and the last 2 years, and I'll be the first to say we haven't got everything right with this, but I do think we've got more right than wrong overall. I hate that any reasoned debate is overridden by instinctive name calling and hysterics (not by you) whenever the government or NPHET say anything at all. Like masks for kids, ECDC don't recommend it, yet the CDC in the US do in indoor settings - they can't both be right, can they ? Agreeing or not agreeing with one of those positions doesn't make the other corrupt or incompetent or whatever the latest accusation is.

What risk?

This is hillarious... Is that really the best you've got?

Bells palsy - One report back in May, from somebody who had suffered it many times before, 14 days after the first dose

Mypcaditis and pericarditis - less than 1 in a thousand reported between the 2 side effects and mild forms of both reported

Facial swelling - temporary and rare and mild

Erythema multiforme - A non-fatal skin reaction that is also triggered by COVID... Would you not consider this to be mild?