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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You mean last year when we had more restrictions? Think we were nearing the end of a 6 week level 5 lockdown this time last year in fact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There was a time I didn't think they would roll back on the October removal of restrictions

    I managed to hold that belief for 3 weeks before they rolled back

    Fact is we have a leader who thinks pulling hospitality back to midnight closing will have an effect on cases making these decisions, I'm now a believer that anything could happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    There is something very odd at play here. They seem to be loosing the plot, trying to outdo themselves with more madcap suggestions as the weeks go on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,782 ✭✭✭brickster69


    What, don't tell me you have just realised they do not have a **** clue what to do. C'mon man !

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    No toys with happy meals. And only 1 dip for your nuggets.

    Hang tight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No realised that a long time ago. Just seems to be getting weirder by the day, first the panto vs playdate story and then the rolling back on the travel cert. Like where are they actually going with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Wait, are happy meals less than €9?

    That must be it, thats why covid can get at the kids, its through the happy meals!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    There's over 100k more cases than this time last year. What am I not understanding , explain yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Fishdoodle



    Post edited by Fishdoodle on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    I had a theory for a while that Holohan was trying to destroy Martin and Fianna Fáil by making him introduce these nonsensical, unpopular measures. Revenge for some deep grudge 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,322 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    People are vaccinated and society is open.

    Not sure why you are struggling so much to understand this or what your angle is?

    We were in a L5 lockdown this time last year now we have light restrictions like Coppers closing at midnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,322 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    I hear you this imaginary curfew for the last 2 years has been tough on everyone when it is completely a figment of their imagination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Pepsirebel


    Like, is there anyone in these meetings that pipes up and says "lads, that advice is a load of bolloxology. Makes no sense whatsoever and is going to piss the country off even further. Sure, don't a lot of us here have young kids...maybe, we should think it out what we advise...and as for you donnelly, how are you for crayons!!"

    Jesus wept like....we actually have the worst ever politicians in the universe, frightening thing is we voted them in 😱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    You'd have to wonder are NPHET proposing testing for arrivals due to Omnicrom or is it just the excuse they were looking for to reimpose restrictions they never wanted lifting in the first place? Just in time for the busy Christmas period and all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Whether you're pro restrictions or against, support NPHET or not, you have to agree that story is an embarrassment to the country. Could you see any other country in the world proposing something similar?

    Do the restrictions if you're going to do them. This 'we don't really want to but we're also afraid to go against NPHET' thing is embarrassing. Same thing happened with the antigen testing and Donnelly is trying to spin it as a win. Price came down from €8 to €1.50 in a week apparently according to him. We all know that Tony got his way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    This what a place with only 54% fully vaccinated and barely enforced mask wearing as the only measure looks like right now. See how it's way less than the same time last year (when there were actually some restrictions in the form of capacity limits in place and no large events)? If vaccines make that much of a difference to transmission and are the only way to control numbers then make it make sense. How is ireland worse with such a high vaccination rate and also passports and other limits?

    seems like everywhere will end up with similar numbers in the end, its just a matter of how you get there and how long it takes.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The data is that the value for R is about 1.1 while everything is open and last year the value was much higher with everything closed.

    Explain what R is and we can see of you're posting in good faith or just repeating what Facebook tells you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    As repeated often, the waning has been known about for some time but the important thing to note is that the waning effect does not go to 0, b and t-cell response remains strong and kids get the benefit of this as much as adults via reduced symptoms.

    The vaccines are safe, they benefit everybody who takes them, they reduce the chances of severe and mild disease in all individuals and reduce the chance of onward infection to varying degrees.

    If you don't believe the vaccines are safe, then call that out as the reason and explain why, even if it's a belief, rather than being disingenuous about transmission reduction and reduction of symptoms which are factual things.

    "natural immune system" bolloxology is straight from the anti-vax playbook. The vaccines don't fight the virus in any way, it's always the immune system that does the work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    The night entertainment industry might say otherwise. Whatever your opinion on covid19 solutions, surely it's fair to say the restrictions are not good.

    It's like going back into some Catholic time warp. Home by 12, no kissing strangers or holding hands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,322 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It's not though is it? Why use hyperbole to try and make a point like that?

    Who said any of what you just posted apart from you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163




  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    Why argue something that is patently clear and obvious? Life has been hindered / restricted for nearly two years, why in gods name would you argue that it hasn’t?


    sometimes I need to pause and remember boards is not representative of most punters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,322 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It's like going back into some Catholic time warp. Home by 12, no kissing strangers or holding hands

    Show how any of how this hyperbole you posted is happening then we can discuss.



  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭TalleyRand83


    Everything is exact same as Dec 2019? Maybe for you and your online wizards and dragons game friends……this place is the pits sometimes. Blindingly obvious and yet still arguing…..today a minister said don’t bring your kids to the panto and here we are being told nothing has changed, I despair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,748 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Coppers closing at midnight

    I've never been, but I wonder what the place was like before midnight on a normal weekend two years ago,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    From my reading of it, he's not arguing that life hasn't be hindered/restricted for nearly two years. He's saying that there hasn't been a curfew. He's right.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    If vaccinating children would suppress the virus long-term then I could understand your point of view.

    Virus is widely circulating in a population that has vaccinated 90% of those eligible currently. Boosters that are affording extra protection will likely wane about the time 5 year olds are offered a vaccine. What then? Never ending ‘whack a mole’ with vaccines and boosters up and down the age groups?

    Yes to vaccines by choice for individual protection and to help ease pressure on healthcare system. My point had little to do with safety - I just see mass vaccinating children for Covid as futile and an unnecessary expense. Why not mass vaccinate for pneumonia, meningitis, others?

    There seems to be a confusion between what you call ‘bolloxology’ of natural immune response and natural immunity. Natural immunity affords protection after contracting and recovering from the virus. It’s an accepted scientific term.

    You can check under your bed for anti-vaxxers in your own time, my conscience is clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Where are they going to get the capacity to pcr test all travels into the country. Its almost a defacto do not travel home to Ireland for the Christmas period.

    As for no panto and play date in the same week, what a shower of muppets. Nothing to stop you going to matches, nightclubs and restaurants as many times as you like, yet they're curtialing the movements of an age group who are barely effected by covid.

    And before I hear, but but but, they spread it to adults, with 94% of adulta vaccinated and over a million boosters by the end of the week, it doesn't really matter.


    We were told to live with covid, and cases would raise. It now appears nphet probably never really wanted this and they are trying to reinpose restrictions through the back door.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not sure were this PCR thing coming from, I believe it's an Antigen Test they are looking at 🤔

    Re the Panto/Playdate thingy, you are aware it's now all the children's fault there's an average of 4,000 new cases daily🤔 it was originally Teenagers, Then the unvaccinated, Then those dastardly Eastern Europeans, back to the 5% troublesome cohort of our population (Good Man Leo) and finally its the Children's fault but of course Schools absolutely safe.

    There'll be Terrible excitement in media circles all day, leaks, guesswork, expert analysis and then no doubt another inchorent speech from MM.

    Later Today....

    The Mica Debacle will probably get most of the headlines today.

    No Subsidised Antigen Testing, but you must do one if entering the country. Honestly it was my decision, not Tony's according to Stephen Donnelly

    Closure by Stealth of Childrens Play, Activity centres and of course no support.

    The Hospitality Sector will get a "Sure its Grand" wink a nod your open aren't you attitude.

    And sad news that Stephen Donnellys long anticipated Humpty Dumpty panto has been cancelled, he had the lead role 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Wish they’d fook right off at this point over travel, this new variant has just given them an excuse to try put people off travel.

    We’re heading to canaries for new year, myself and mr PC7 are both vax’d to the gills as have had our boosters, now we’ll need tests too along with the smallies. Absolute pain in the hoop and not overkill and more expense. You cannot stop an airborne virus, it’s here already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Looking like Mandatory Hotel Quarantine coming back legisatively anyway but presumably for Non EU countries 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'm going by what I heard on the radio, but if it was antigen testing they have to be professionally administratored. Wonder which nphet member has contacts with that contract!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes Antigen testing professionally administered seems to be the plan 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It won't be done in Ireland, its a pre flight test and it looks like it'll be antigen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    What contract? It's pre flight so the unless your out of Ireland and back within 72hrs the antigen won't be done in Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Well yeah. Whatever the cost is in the country your coming from, which in some is very very little.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Okay, that makes more sense, the way it was being reported it was 3 days after you landed. Presumed it was to track it you caught it on the flight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    No vaccine, a less transmissable variant of the virus and more restrictions on our daily lives you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Has to be done professionally though which is an utter shambles. I’m going to a football game with 15 others in the UK next week, we’d all have to book tests for the way back and what happens if one of us test positive? are there even places that do antigen tests professionally?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The reality is, the cmo doesn't want you going back and forth to football matches. He doesn't care about the logistics of how you source tests.



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    For a while yesterday RTÉ ran with the headline:

    "Playdate or Panto... but not both!"

    Imagine going along with those guidelines.

    "Sorry Billy you can't see your cousins til after Christmas because we already went to Jack and the Beanstalk, remember?"

    As bad as the guidance is, I feel the morons who will heed that advice are worse eejits.

    We're not a serious country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,381 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    It's so tiresomely obvious that just as they roll out the 5-11 year old vaccination system, the latest round of restrictions will all be centered around this cohort. It's a none too subtle attempt to shame and scapegoat these young kids and scare their parents into running off to the vaccination center with them.


    The frightening thing is it'll probably work with a large cohort.

    This has become a really disgusting country over the last 20months. It's been shameful to watch this unfold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,022 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Front page of the Day, A Rag yes but very funny front page 😁


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This is true, and ultimately for what?

    They conned adults into getting vaccinated ASAP as well with the promise of it being the road back to normality - yet here we are 18 months later and now the narrative is that vaccination isn't enough, boosters will be needed, and we should all still treat each other as potential plague carriers regardless.

    All this for a virus that in the vast majority of cases has little to no effect on adults, and even less on children but here we are trying to restrict and blame them anyway because a significant portion of society have become entirely infantalised over the last decade and need every action and decision made for them.

    As I've said repeatedly... If you're nervous, immunocompromised, or just uncomfortable with mixing with others, then DON'T. Limit your activities, stay home, or do whatever you need to to feel safe. But that's a very different thing to then complaining or trying to force others to feel the same way you do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭bloopy


    The Journal on message again this morning.


    On a different note, they've been doing a few odd fact checks recently on pointless stuff in the dail.

    Who owns that site?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There are likely to be a lot of annoyed parents out there, both vaccinated and not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Used to be the same crowd as Boards itself. Not sure now



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