Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242812#Comment_118242812

What, don't tell me you have just realised they do not have a **** clue what to do. C'mon man !

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242812#Comment_118242812

No toys with happy meals. And only 1 dip for your nuggets.

Hang tight.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242822#Comment_118242822

No realised that a long time ago. Just seems to be getting weirder by the day, first the panto vs playdate story and then the rolling back on the travel cert. Like where are they actually going with this.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242824#Comment_118242824

Wait, are happy meals less than €9?

That must be it, thats why covid can get at the kids, its through the happy meals!

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242767#Comment_118242767

There's over 100k more cases than this time last year. What am I not understanding , explain yourself?

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242854#Comment_118242854

Covid loves a Happy Meal.

Fishdoodle

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242812#Comment_118242812

I had a theory for a while that Holohan was trying to destroy Martin and Fianna Fáil by making him introduce these nonsensical, unpopular measures. Revenge for some deep grudge 😂

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242861#Comment_118242861

People are vaccinated and society is open.

Not sure why you are struggling so much to understand this or what your angle is?

We were in a L5 lockdown this time last year now we have light restrictions like Coppers closing at midnight.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242920#Comment_118242920

I hear you this imaginary curfew for the last 2 years has been tough on everyone when it is completely a figment of their imagination.

Pepsirebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118241851#Comment_118241851

Like, is there anyone in these meetings that pipes up and says "lads, that advice is a load of bolloxology. Makes no sense whatsoever and is going to piss the country off even further. Sure, don't a lot of us here have young kids...maybe, we should think it out what we advise...and as for you donnelly, how are you for crayons!!"

Jesus wept like....we actually have the worst ever politicians in the universe, frightening thing is we voted them in 😱

Klonker

You'd have to wonder are NPHET proposing testing for arrivals due to Omnicrom or is it just the excuse they were looking for to reimpose restrictions they never wanted lifting in the first place? Just in time for the busy Christmas period and all!

Klonker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242692#Comment_118242692

Whether you're pro restrictions or against, support NPHET or not, you have to agree that story is an embarrassment to the country. Could you see any other country in the world proposing something similar?

Do the restrictions if you're going to do them. This 'we don't really want to but we're also afraid to go against NPHET' thing is embarrassing. Same thing happened with the antigen testing and Donnelly is trying to spin it as a win. Price came down from €8 to €1.50 in a week apparently according to him. We all know that Tony got his way.

ceadaoin.

This what a place with only 54% fully vaccinated and barely enforced mask wearing as the only measure looks like right now. See how it's way less than the same time last year (when there were actually some restrictions in the form of capacity limits in place and no large events)? If vaccines make that much of a difference to transmission and are the only way to control numbers then make it make sense. How is ireland worse with such a high vaccination rate and also passports and other limits?

seems like everywhere will end up with similar numbers in the end, its just a matter of how you get there and how long it takes.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242920#Comment_118242920

The data is that the value for R is about 1.1 while everything is open and last year the value was much higher with everything closed.

Explain what R is and we can see of you're posting in good faith or just repeating what Facebook tells you.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242254#Comment_118242254

As repeated often, the waning has been known about for some time but the important thing to note is that the waning effect does not go to 0, b and t-cell response remains strong and kids get the benefit of this as much as adults via reduced symptoms.

The vaccines are safe, they benefit everybody who takes them, they reduce the chances of severe and mild disease in all individuals and reduce the chance of onward infection to varying degrees.

If you don't believe the vaccines are safe, then call that out as the reason and explain why, even if it's a belief, rather than being disingenuous about transmission reduction and reduction of symptoms which are factual things.

"natural immune system" bolloxology is straight from the anti-vax playbook. The vaccines don't fight the virus in any way, it's always the immune system that does the work.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242932#Comment_118242932

The night entertainment industry might say otherwise. Whatever your opinion on covid19 solutions, surely it's fair to say the restrictions are not good.

It's like going back into some Catholic time warp. Home by 12, no kissing strangers or holding hands

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243007#Comment_118243007

It's not though is it? Why use hyperbole to try and make a point like that?

Who said any of what you just posted apart from you?

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243010#Comment_118243010

https://extra.ie/2020/12/30/news/irish-news/stephen-donnelly-covid-19-kissing-new-years-eve

tbh, I thought you were engaging in hyperbole by dismissing the plight of the culture sector in Ireland...

TalleyRand83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243010#Comment_118243010

Why argue something that is patently clear and obvious? Life has been hindered / restricted for nearly two years, why in gods name would you argue that it hasn’t?

sometimes I need to pause and remember boards is not representative of most punters

Ha Long Bay

It's like going back into some Catholic time warp. Home by 12, no kissing strangers or holding hands

Show how any of how this hyperbole you posted is happening then we can discuss.

TalleyRand83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243022#Comment_118243022

Everything is exact same as Dec 2019? Maybe for you and your online wizards and dragons game friends……this place is the pits sometimes. Blindingly obvious and yet still arguing…..today a minister said don’t bring your kids to the panto and here we are being told nothing has changed, I despair.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242883#Comment_118242883

Coppers closing at midnight

I've never been, but I wonder what the place was like before midnight on a normal weekend two years ago,

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118242920#Comment_118242920

I don't think you know what a curfew is...

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243018#Comment_118243018

From my reading of it, he's not arguing that life hasn't be hindered/restricted for nearly two years. He's saying that there hasn't been a curfew. He's right.

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243003#Comment_118243003

If vaccinating children would suppress the virus long-term then I could understand your point of view.

Virus is widely circulating in a population that has vaccinated 90% of those eligible currently. Boosters that are affording extra protection will likely wane about the time 5 year olds are offered a vaccine. What then? Never ending ‘whack a mole’ with vaccines and boosters up and down the age groups?

Yes to vaccines by choice for individual protection and to help ease pressure on healthcare system. My point had little to do with safety - I just see mass vaccinating children for Covid as futile and an unnecessary expense. Why not mass vaccinate for pneumonia, meningitis, others?

There seems to be a confusion between what you call ‘bolloxology’ of natural immune response and natural immunity. Natural immunity affords protection after contracting and recovering from the virus. It’s an accepted scientific term.

You can check under your bed for anti-vaxxers in your own time, my conscience is clear.

prunudo

Where are they going to get the capacity to pcr test all travels into the country. Its almost a defacto do not travel home to Ireland for the Christmas period.

As for no panto and play date in the same week, what a shower of muppets. Nothing to stop you going to matches, nightclubs and restaurants as many times as you like, yet they're curtialing the movements of an age group who are barely effected by covid.

And before I hear, but but but, they spread it to adults, with 94% of adulta vaccinated and over a million boosters by the end of the week, it doesn't really matter.

We were told to live with covid, and cases would raise. It now appears nphet probably never really wanted this and they are trying to reinpose restrictions through the back door.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243149#Comment_118243149

I'm not sure were this PCR thing coming from, I believe it's an Antigen Test they are looking at 🤔

Re the Panto/Playdate thingy, you are aware it's now all the children's fault there's an average of 4,000 new cases daily🤔 it was originally Teenagers, Then the unvaccinated, Then those dastardly Eastern Europeans, back to the 5% troublesome cohort of our population (Good Man Leo) and finally its the Children's fault but of course Schools absolutely safe.

There'll be Terrible excitement in media circles all day, leaks, guesswork, expert analysis and then no doubt another inchorent speech from MM.

Later Today....

The Mica Debacle will probably get most of the headlines today.

No Subsidised Antigen Testing, but you must do one if entering the country. Honestly it was my decision, not Tony's according to Stephen Donnelly

Closure by Stealth of Childrens Play, Activity centres and of course no support.

The Hospitality Sector will get a "Sure its Grand" wink a nod your open aren't you attitude.

And sad news that Stephen Donnellys long anticipated Humpty Dumpty panto has been cancelled, he had the lead role 😁

pc7

Wish they’d fook right off at this point over travel, this new variant has just given them an excuse to try put people off travel.

We’re heading to canaries for new year, myself and mr PC7 are both vax’d to the gills as have had our boosters, now we’ll need tests too along with the smallies. Absolute pain in the hoop and not overkill and more expense. You cannot stop an airborne virus, it’s here already.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243175#Comment_118243175

Looking like Mandatory Hotel Quarantine coming back legisatively anyway but presumably for Non EU countries 🤔