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How important is a man's job when it comes to dating?

  • 17-11-2021 11:30pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 29 grassmoon


    Does it make a difference if he's earning 30k or 150k for example?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Ha ha ha.

    Is there a girl out there that doesnt ask “what do you work at” in the first five minutes???



    Nope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Look at the wives and girlfriends or some ugly rich men, and you will have your answer



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Silly question really.......

    Just 2 quick examples.......anna Nicole smith& j Howard Marshall, Lisa Murphy & Gerard Keane ( or even Lisa Murphy & Michael flatley).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭barrier86


    This was in about 2006 or 2007

    A friend of my brother, self employed, was on a few dates with a “career driven woman”.


    He had a few people working for him (he never mentioned this in the beginning as he’s not one to talk himself up) and often took a few days at leisure, the girl took this as him being a part time worker and told him that she wanted someone more career focused and someone who strives to be the best in their field and it fizzled out from there.

    His business really took off, and he did really well through the recession and is pretty much semi retired now (mid 40s)

    Career woman lost her job early on in the financial collapse, applied for a job with for his company and he interviewed her. Apparently it was very awkward and she actually turned down the job out of pride / awkwardness

    About a year later she called him on his personal phone to see if he had any work available for her.

    moral of the story; it was extremely important to her, so much so she blanked him when she thought his career wasn’t good enough for her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    As the saying goes flash the cash and they will show you their gash.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I've no idea why I'm engaging in this thread in good faith given the responses already, but I'll post my response to pretty much the exact same question when it was posted in TGC a while ago:

    For what it's worth, I'm female and a prospective partner's money holds very, very little interest for me. As long as they're solvent and can afford to do fun stuff (eat out, go away for the weekend, etc.) with me, that's good enough for me. I don't expect anyone to bankroll me and I've no interest in bankrolling anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    I suppose it's a good excuse for being single. I'm not single because of my personality, but because I earn less than €50k and because women are bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The difference between 30k and 150k is a lot less than the difference between 13k and 30k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Going by some of the recent threads in the Relationship Issues forum, I thought this was going to be another moan about men who make no effort...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Its my excuse ..im broke and men are goldiggers :P



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Zelda Acidic Backyard


    The majority of people marry/get into relationships with people with the same socioeconomic status.

    I think there was a study done in the US a while back that concluded the most successful/happy relationships are those where both partners have a similar SES.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I think in a relationship it’s helpful if both parties have a reasonably similar level of income.

    i dated a girl 10 or so years ago who was from Tipp, living in Dublin, renting, running a car all on about a 31,000 / 32,000 salary, a customer service rep for an insurance company ...at the time I was on about 39,000

    id consider myself a generous person who likes also to enjoy life.... she liked to enjoy life, nights out, dinner, weekends away but fûck she hated putting her hand in her purse.... yes she’d rent to pay and a car to keep but barring the odd glass of something in a pub that she make a big deal of... it was on me.... got fed up of it.

    it didn’t work out for various reasons, she ended up being a whiny self centered melt but the lack of disposable income to help was becoming an issue too...

    id have earned a lot more then my current girlfriend but those roles will be reversed as she has completed her masters and is getting her own business up and running which has gone better then either of our wildest dreams would have envisioned so quickly.... I’m currently up-skilling and hopefully that will lead to meeting her wage profile ballpark anyway and I think that’s a reasonable platform for stability...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I dated a guy who had less money than me. In fact he was as close to homeless as one could be tbh.


    But ..He GOT IT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Very.


    Good jobs to women are like good looks to men.

    Its rare to see either single for long.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 veil


    All I can say is women differs in many perspective......



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Women in general marry only at their own level or higher. So if the woman is earning 30k, the man should earn at least that, preferably more. This is why it's more difficult for highly paid or very intelligent women to find a spouse.

    A highly intelligent man, or a man earning 150k or more generally will marry at that level or down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'm male and have had plenty of dates/short term relationships over the years and was only asked once about my income (and that was a first date, massive turn off). I've been asked what I do for a living plenty of times but that's general conversation.

    I did always get it out there pretty early myself that I had my **** together, owned a house, drove nice car, had a circle of friends and hobbies but never found women overly interested in what my cash flow could do to help them maintain a lifestyle. However, I probably have dated women in good jobs most of the time.

    Current GF/fiance I am on quite a bit more than her but even before we met she had left a soul destroying job for a lower paid public sector job but still earned pretty well. She pays her own way for household and day to day, and it works for us. I do most of the treat nights though, but that's really on my insistence. We are going to Aviva on Sunday for rugby match, I bought the tickets (€150 for 2) and will go for a ramble around town after and get some food and a fewdrinks which she will probably pay for (€80 to €100 or so I'd guess, might be more). But a €250 to €300 day out is not completely on me and I love her for it.

    All the women I know want financial security alright but so do all the men. I don't think many want to be kept women or have access to a no limit credit card. Yes, there are some but I'm telling you now if there were men out there with the option to be bankrolled some would too. I actually know 1 or 2 women that have dumped male long term partners who tried to freeload.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Finiancial security is important for everyone I think. No-one that I know of wants to be in a realationship where the other parthner is financially dependent on them. Once established or after having kids they may make financial choices together to inprove their qualify of life. It also depends on your age and how well you know the person before you begin dating. I would have gone out with people who earn less than me in my early twenties as we were figuring out life paths and careers. Apart from it’s always been similarish i’d say from their work profile. I would never have considered dating someone unemployed or as a previous poster said without their **** together. I possibly would if I knew the person beforehand and could trust that they would get their **** together. I now earn more than my husband as he works part-time but that was a decision that works well for us both lifrstyle wise and was made together. We are also financially secure.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I might just qualify my statement there. I have come across people who would love to depend on others financially male and female but the majority are female. Most don’t succeed in this as their parthners would not agree. Some do but not many in my experience. It’s more of a pipedream for most.

    A work ethic is a great thing in my opinion. All work is not nessecarily renoumerated either. I know others who earn little but are constantly working for the good of their family or community. It’s a mixed bag really but if one is happy with how work (care duties - home/children etc. and money earned) is shared sure that’s the main thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I swear this site has been infested by some incel like man-babies who'll come up with any excuse for women having no interest in them, rather than except that maybe they just have a **** personality.


    OP, for some women the income of their partner is important, and some will be gold-diggers, and then you'll have the majority of women who won't care so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I don't know why I'm bothering, but I've been married. And when it ended I walked away from the house, the contents and signed away all my rights to my ex's extremely lucrative army pension, despite the howls of protest from my solicitor. I genuinely have no interest in somebody else's money.

    If every woman you've ever met is a gold-digging cynic, perhaps you'd be better served examining how you keep meeting them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I earn about 50k, going out with someone a few months and she's a doctor and will be a consultant soon. No idea what she earns and don't really want to ask but I imagine absolutely sh*t loads.

    I never thought someone like her would be interested in a lowly drone like myself, but I have my sh*t together financially and my own little house. Also she's 37 so tick tock!

    Reality is if you're good looking and sound and look after yourself these things aren't that much of an issue, so that's me sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    At 37 you might be in danger as being seen as the scrapings at the bottom of her proverbial barrel ............. last chance saloon for the good doctor........... 😋



    (joking ...kind of .....would be a good catch alright for a fella in his 50's)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    50k is a sort of magic number though where you can afford a nice lifestyle, eating out, new cars, plenty of travel, basically no need to be penny pinching. So once you achieve that, even if the woman is on multiples of that, you are both in a decent position and on some kind of level playing field.

    The problem arises more where the guy is on 25/30/35k or a lower status job which puts him in a vastly different position to the high achieving woman. That, more often than not, is going nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm 41! But yes the dating world is great at my age, they're practically lining up in their late 30s if you're a decent guy!



  • Registered Users Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Ekerot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So what you're saying is your standards are extremely low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I have a reasonably well paying job but I don't show it - I also live in the family home so cashflow isn't a big issue at the moment. But I don't advertise that fact to anyone I am dating.

    In my experience they perk up once I mention my job, and in the past when they have found out about the family home and the wages they dig their claws in very, very deeply. I've lost more than one relationship due to rampant gold-digging.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    I got talking to two lovely ladies in a rock bar in Dublin I frequented about 8 years ago. They were friends and we all hit it off. Neither asked me what I did for a living. One was more interested in me and got chatting, while her friend took the back seat.

    Fast forward a week and we all meet up again for drinks. Myself and the lady that was into me had met up a couple of times before this and had a proper chat about lives, work etc. Her friend joins us and work came up in the conversation as I was all dressed up in a suit this time. She asked me what I did for a living, I said "IT manager". Her face drops and the two of the ladies start arguing in their native tongue. Turns out the friend took me at face value originally and presumed the man dressed in black with tattoos and piercings must have a lowly job like a piercer or something.

    Another week later and something similar happened. Lady and her friend not talking now and arguing when they do. In the end I left them to it. Couldn't be bothered with the drama.


    So yes, money and job status are very important to some. Not all though. Nice face and rack and I'm happy :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I'm sorry, but I have to pull you up on your very very shallow last line

    Nice face and rack and I'm happy :)

    That is completely unacceptable to trot that line out in these modern times...........far too simplistic......surely one would need to also include a decent arse as well as not being too chunky?


    Although I don't quite get the point of your story. One lady interested and the other wasn't because she thought you were a waster? When the latter found out you had a job she was now interested/jealous? Is that the story?

    Could it not also have been that she was happy to have her friend going out with a tattoo artist but didn't want her to risk ending up with an IT nerd? 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I know a couple that got married about 10 years ago after about 6 months or so romance... Met at some hi-flying event in Galway and wined/dined/holiday... Both had nice cars and lived in pretty ok places.

    Marriage lasted about 3 months... it turned out that each thought the other loaded and both were living on the gold card....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yes if a modern man is complimenting a woman it surely be along these lines





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I believe they meant in a more metaphorical way. Trying to live on between €13k and €30k is vastly different than someone who's earning anywhere between 50k and €150k. Either way, odds are the person earning €50k+ is going to be living quite comfortably.

    Obviously this very much depends on location, family etc, but the point makes sense.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    If you do university-level Maths and Stats (or even Economics), then you'll encounter Bernoulli and Von Neumann and realise that the value and utility of money isn't anywhere close to being linear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,211 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well the difference between earning 13k and 30k can be somewhat blurred by social supports to be fair. I am not saying they are equal but that the difference is lessened from what it would otherwise be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    So €120,000 is a lot less than €17,000 yeah? OK. Cool.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Depends. If out for fun. No. If at university pursuing a degree. No. If looking for commitment. Perhaps. If single with children. A good chance it may factor. Then again, we can be PC and answer accordingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    I'm still waiting to be swept off my feet by some hot good looking billionaire woman. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Well even if that's so, what the job is and how the man feels about his job can influence women even without them knowing the salary.

    Some men believe that having more money than other men makes them the top dog. Other high-status men, like actors and artists, do not necessarily believe that.

    Most men are in the large fluid middle area of ordinary jobs and incomes. They get ordinary women as wives and girlfriends.



  • Posts: 0 Dax Zealous Pluto


    Speaking as a (heterosexual) woman in a reasonably ok financial position with my own roof etc, money would would never be a factor for me. What would be a factor is that he would have to distinguish himself somewhere (in a good way) especially being intelligent, interesting or engaging company. I just don’t get gold-digging, except for financial security when raising a family and having a roof over your head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    If the woman has half your salary plus 7 you should be ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So how long do you think I have with my partner who earns a lot more than me and is way more qualified and successful then? I'm sure she could get someone with more money if she wanted, but I think you'll find that isn't the most important thing to most reasonable people.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How does that even make sense? What if she doesn't marry a richer man? What if she meets a man she likes for other reasons?

    Been a while though since there was one of these threads, about how women full stop - not certain women, just women overall - are only ever after a guy's money. Supported by individual anecdotes. Because of course every man in the world ever who isn't wealthy is single. You're all from rich families because your mothers would only be with wealthy men because that's exclusively whom women seek.

    Try to put the resentment aside briefly: many women don't care if a man isn't rich. This is evidential so instead of wanting it not to be true, instead of going on about that hypergamy stuff (the term used a lot in the most grubbily misogynistic quarters of the Internet) just look around you. Gold diggers do exist - nobody is saying they don't - but for the rest of us, there are other qualities we look for: personality, physical attractiveness to us (no, doesn't have to be a model), compatibility. As long as he's not a longterm dole head (which I'm assuming a man wouldn't find attractive in a woman either) or as long as he's not constantly scrounging (which again isn't attractive from a woman, but there are guys who entertain it if she's hot) there are numerous other important things. That's how I feel, that's how my friends feel. One friend of a friend used to be a gold digger all right (I just couldn't understand how she could have sex with someone whom she wasn't physically attracted to) but I don't know anyone else with that attitude.

    Women have careers now - they don't need to be kept women (although you could put money on it that some of the same people who decide women are all just chasing wealthy men, also have a problem with career women).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People are usually the same age as their partner.



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