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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Caught the News headline on radio at 6pm when I finished up work, newsreader proclaiming that we've had over 3,000 cases every day for the last week. Approaching it from the angle that the case numbers are very high.

    Considering how much is open, I think its a very good number. The obsession the media and many people have with case numbers needs to stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I just caught the end of the news on RTE1 and Fergal Bowers more or less made the same point in that case numbers were not the metric that should be of any great concern, but rather hospital and ICU numbers.



  • Posts: 394 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funny how it seems to be the age group that is most « vaccine-hesitant » is also the group that suffer the mildest effects from Covid.



  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In Belgium, all fully vaccinated in hospital..


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/1Jpehia9EQvy/



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bitchute, really? And even so I sometimes wonder do people even watch the propaganda they post. What does the video actually say?



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  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a minute of news report on a hospital in Antwerp..An interview with a doctor..

    And bitchute because anything the doesn't follow a certain narrative isn't permitted on other platforms,..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Are the clips fake to you?

    If an RTE video is posted on bitchute does it make it no longer credible.

    It's a news report about break through infections. What's your issue with something like that you are getting defensive.


    Either point out why the video is bs or don't. But simply saying "bitchute propaganda" doesn't do much.

    Why is it the clip propaganda?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    This is the tactic that’s always use, they’ll just discredit the person or source and immediately dismiss it. There’s no one as blind as someone who refuses to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    I'm responding to another poster who is talking about cases being mostly among the unvaccinated. I am not arguing that the there isn't a large portion in ICU

    Read my post again.

    I couldn't care less about cases myself. But people are posting article links saying that unvaccinated 11% make up 46% of Total cases. But they never post the HSPC link and neither do the articles.

    I'm not arguing for or against any stats. I am arguing that there is no first hand links to the sources beside the papers saying "source : HSPC" that isn't how references work when making claims.


    Perhaps you have the link that the articles don't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Unless you are saying that you believe the numbers in hospital and ICU`s are not heavily disproportional for the unvaccinated I really do not see what your point is.

    I am going on by the stats from the Minister for Health a few days ago, but like others here if you prefer to take the figure from such sites as Bit Chute rather than what a country`s own health minister says then that is up to you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    What are you even talking about

    You responded to my post which was NOTHING to do with ICU numbers. I'm not even arguing about icu numbers.


    I'm talking about this talk of ALL cases 45% being from the unvaccinated.


    So unless you are responding to my question to the other poster you are looking for an argument which nobody is having 🤷‍♂️

    As for your snarky bitchute comment

    Where did I ask for figures off bitchute?

    I asked for a link to the HSPC about how many cases are vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Which nobody seems to have the direct link as quoted by the papers on the 13th of October.


    I can't tell if you are trolling or just trying to score Internet points but you are clearly operating from a perspective of thinking I am a bitchute user or am posting stats off bitchute..

    Please read what I said properly and stop projecting what you think I said.

    Unlike you I'd rather read the first hand reports of the numbers rather than that egg heads spin

    Good man 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I believe it has been clear for some length of time what Bit Chutes narrative is. It`s not called the U Tube of the far right for nothing.

    End of October Belgian Health Minister Vandenbroucke told their Health Select Committee that 40% of those in ICU were unvaccinated. He probably did that because he is part of this secret cabal that you and the rest of your conspiracy theorists believe in, although none of you can come up with a reason why he would do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You have to ban yourself from bitchute, I'm unsure if credibility can go negative, but you're giving it a go:

    70% of hospitalised Covid patients are vaccinated, but the vaccines are working | VRT NWS: news

    “Few healthy vaccinated people end up in hospital.  If they do, hospitalisation is shorter” says Callens.  “In critical care many patients are not fully vaccinated”.

    Figures from the health minister show 60% of patients in Flemish ICUs are fully vaccinated, 40% are unvaccinated.”

    Deaths too are lower during the fourth wave: at the height of waves two and three over 200 people were dying a day.  Today the figure stands at 17 as the seven-day average.

    Did you try and pick a news report from one specific hospital where it could be that 100% were vaccinated and use that to draw crazy conclusions? Answers not on a postcard.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So I guess none of you watched the video of the doctor talking about all the ICU patients in a single hospital in Antwerp were vaccinated and contrasted it the summary presented as being “in Belgium, all vaccinated in hospital”.

    This is what bit chute is - take a single piece of information out of context and pass it off as something it isn’t. The useful patsys will then blindly spread the misinformation without even stopping for a second to actually think about it. And then when questioned its “are you saying the video is fake wibble”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Not so funny that those not vaccinated are so disproportionately represented in hospital and ICU`s though, and none of them AFAIK are aged under 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It was the same in all of Flanders ( 56% of Belgium ) a couple of weeks ago with 70%+ vaxed in ICU. Pretty obvious that the older people who got vaxed first will have less protection as time passes and they are most likely to end up in ICU. Otherwise there would be no need for a booster would there, if they were well protected.

    Some people here struggle to get this into the brain, it's like they won't accept it for some reason.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Why are you so obsessed with case numbers ?

    I have told you that they were never of any great concern in comparison to hospital and ICU numbers, and explained why that was and still is the case.

    You would not perhaps be attempting to deflect from the unvaccinated percentages in hospitals and ICU by any chance.

    Good man🚮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    I couldn't give a bollox about bitchute. If someone posts a news report that is a real news report then I could be on feckin porn hub for all I care. Either telling me why the video is bs or cling to you name calling labeling of the scary "far right" . Buzz words.


    You are something else tbh. You are now telling me i believe in some secret conspiracy. Yet where in my comments have a I said such a thing?

    Again. You are projecting your notions in your head. Anyone who has a legitimate question or asks for links to GOVERNMENT covid figures you call names??


    You're being a dogmatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Because if you go back to my comment you'd see someone else posted about case numbers.


    They mean nothing to me. I simply asked where they got their figures from and they posted an article that quotes the HSPC but doesn't post any links or sources to check them out.

    We are only down this rabbit hole because you hopped on spouting shite about icu and telling me I shouldn't care about cases. Completely missing the point of what I was asking.


    Again someone said of ALL cases 45% are unvaccinated. Besides articles can someone post a link to the HSPC actual tracking of vaccinated vs unvaccinated cases.

    If the news is talking about it I'm interested to find out why. Cases are bs if nobody gets to icu. I agree. But not the point of my question.

    Simple enough question...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A 2 second search would have shown that the video was trying to reach false conclusion, that is the raison d'etre of bitchute, "the more you know".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Is it not quicker to lead with that comment?

    Exactly what I said point out why the video is bullshit titled and and argue over the content or presentation of information.

    Then the discussion can be if the content is correct not the platform..

    On all sides there is misrepresentation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Yeah and just as easy to response with why something is bs than saying "the platform is xyz"

    Attack the content not the platform. It's easier to argue from that point.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I asked the question had anyone actually watched the content. Because it did not say what was being presented.

    And also commented on bitchute being source of choice for those interested in constant misrepresentation and distortion of reality with a side order of casual lunacy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Well, in this case the platform is a conspiracy theory video site, it's going to be incumbent on the poster to show how it's true rather than others to show otherwise and in this case, as expected, the claim (all in Belgium in hospital are vaccinated) was shown to be false, even the poster themselves will run away, afraid to answer any questions about it.



  • Posts: 394 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People can try and twist the figures all they want. The fact remains that more fully vaccinated elderly people die each day than unvaccinated by a margin of about 9:1. Of course you won’t have these figures broadcasted over our airwaves day in day out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,100 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What is twisting the figures? You're 12x more likely to be in ICU if unvaccinated, those that die are generally older with underlying conditions and vaccinated.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Poster has been warned - yes it's more Conspiracy Theory nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Denmark confirm introduction of restrictions.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Restrictions? They are enforcing the vaccine pass nothing about other further restrictions at this time. It shouldn’t affect the vaccinated much.



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