Heavyweight Boxing

What is referring to about the Ruiz fight,

For a long time there is talk about something happened pre fight, he said in that interview i won't make excuses but after the fight i learned of certain things that happened before that fight that are reasons i lost, He then says look at me during in the entrance I'm not myself,

Is he getting at something wrong with his water or food or what ?

He keeps saying i won't make excuses but he is he is just not explaining them, In my view that's worse than Wilder ,

Also when talking about changing his style to prolong his career he mentioned getting beat downs that we don't see in the gym, Maybe the rumours has suffered several ko's in the gym are true & why he has become far more timid

That was a rumour think it was American heavy weight Joey Dawejko

AJs performance in Wlad fight should be commended. Yes, he tired. He was 250 lbs in there giving it his all.

But the main thing is that he regrouped, got the second wind and closed the show in style, against a still dangerous Wlad, even if he was past his best. AJ showed a lot of heart, fitness, fortitude and finishing prowess.

It was quite an intense cardio sapping fight....they are huge men as well, and throwing such heavy leather.

Not the first big HW to tire badly and then get a second wind.....

Just on Ruiz.....I see Usyk said he wouldn't be "doing a Ruiz" for the rematch....

Klitchko deserves be highly praised for his effort in the Joshua fight, he was coming off a loss where he was terrible and remember fighting Joshua he was 41. I know he lives clean but 41 is a pensioner in top level sport.

I remember when Wlad was king in his prime and we all moaned how poor the heavyweight division was, Wlad taking Joshua to his limit shows that maybe this era is no better, if not worse?

Babic v Eric Molina later on DAZN

Shambles. Molina stopped in 2

^^^ Thought someone made a good point about Joshua a few pages ago and that was he needs to stop wearing the white robe and in the last fight wore these brown/caramel colour gloves.

He needs to cop on and stop trying to imitate Ali with this get up, it's actually an insult to the Greatest.

I might be on my own here but i think Fury will have a tough night with Whyte,

I still expect him to win on points but it'll be a though aul slog ,

You could well be right....Fury is that kind fighter....He can look good and bad against all sorts.....but gets the job done...

Wilder always posed problems for Fury because of the size/range/power threat....Whyte doesn't have the size/range power threat here that will worry or threten Fury like Wilder did.

By size I mean more height/range.

Everything hinges on the condition Fury comes in at. I heard him in an interview and he says even when he's not got a fight on he does some light training every day as the endorphin kick is vital in helping him with his mental health so that's good.

I still think he was in better shape for Wilder 2 than for the Wilder 3 fight and I think he beats Whyte either way but if his head and body is not right he could make it a harder night for himself than it needs to be.

To be fair he had covid & his new born was touch & go in hospital,

They reckon he only had a 5 weeks of what you call "camp"

I can see Fury taking everything up a level now fitness wise , he must realise that he probably has 3/4 fights left & can retire a legend if he wins them all,

Legend probably because of the comeback he had and seems a better fighter after it.

That mixed with undefeated if he does so.

If Mike Tyson is a legend then Fury will be.

He has about 30 or so fights over 10-12 years....

Wlad was past his best.....clearly so. Wilder and his KO reel doesn't excuse the fact that hes not at all a great boxer.

Usyk has what, 3 fights at HW?

Best of his generation/era, and an era of very weak opposition relatively speaking.....Not Fury' fault.....juts the way it is.

Doping conviction as well which will place an asterisk beside his Wlad win, albeit didn't test positive for that fight

I find it funny you bring up Usyk as Olympic champion and unified CW champion and HW champion....

Not near the same for Spinks, Olympic champion, Unified LHW champion, and Lineal HW champion...Tyson blew him a away in 1 round with a 7 lbs weight advantage and you dismiss it and make excuses; Usyk would be giving away 6 inches height and likely 50-60 lbs in weight to Fury...

And he's nailed on for being a legend for this?

Cause Spinks won his gold as a middle weight and won his heavy weight title at 200lbs, Usyk was 221lbs

Big difference Spinks was a much smaller man

When Spinks fought Mike he blow up to his heaviest ever of 212lbs and couldn't carry the weight at all,

Usyk is a proper heavy weight Spinks never was

Pure bias and selectiveness now where else would you see that

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Usyk fought at Middleweight as a younger Amateur, he even lost to Shawn Porter.

He also fought as a heavy weight as Amateur , he is a much bigger heavy weight than Spinks who lets be fair was never a proper heavy weight

Are you saying Fury's size means nothing when factoring in how he does vs his foes?

You dismissed Mike beating an undefeated lineal HW champion in Spinks because you claim Spinks was never a HW despite Mike being circa 8 or so lbs heavier.

But at the same time you use Fury beating Usyk (a CW moving up) as some sort of plus as regards legend status

I am confused. Mike beats a LHW who moved up and who was the lineal champion and it means 0 to you, but Fury beating a man moving up is seen as cementing a legacy

Spinks had 5 fights at HW. In one he was 200 lbs. the reset he was above. Similar weights to Holyfield for several Holyfield fights.

But it still reads as you being selective here. Usyk and Spinks both moved up and won HW belts. You give 0 priase for Tyson pulverizing the lineal champion, yet if Fury beats Usyk (with clearer physical advantages than Tyson had on Spinks) it cements his legacy.

You have previoulsy brought up Tyson's physical advanatges over the LHW moving up Spinks, yet when I brought up Fury's clear physical advanatges over the CW moving up Usyk, you responded asking what has Fury's size got to do with it......

Wlad was past his best in 2015 and 2017…nobody said otherwise. As usual you see contradictions that aren’t there. Most likely you see them because you’re fixated on defending against any perceived Fury criticism. Pathetic.

This has nothing to do with AJ, who, by the way has also not reached legend status in my view. He likely never will. Fury could!

Your fixation on Fury and hostility for AJ is making you come across as manic.

You keep seeing things that aren’t here..I can’t help you with that. You’ve pointed out no contradictions. Just illogical nonsense that you’re seeing.

oh, and why is it clear that Fury was not at his best in 2015? Many thought that performance was masterful. So, when was Fury at his best, if it wasn’t 2015 Wlad?

was it pre Wlad? Or post Wlad? Go look at the tapes. Because only Wilder fight II stands out for me as a candidate for best Fury, and it is not clear cut that this Fury was better than Fury from Wlad

Oh, that “one” contradiction from weeks back. Bravo. Well done. But not even a contradiction… just your illogical take.

Fury in Wilder III and I was not a better specimen than 2015. You do realize that apart from punch power (which is close), even a past his best Wlad is better than Wilder..

Fury and Wlad, for me put on a terrible show in 2015; but both men were better fighters than Wilder, and Fury closer to his best than his post Wlad fights.