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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sovits taking Samsung 4 months to get 51,000 at 5 times the cost and they have not yet demonstrated they will deliver, yet we could have 50,000 straight away at €15.5m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Didn't say straight away, I said we could order them, and even if delayed they would eventually come. Baffled by the resistance to something that helps improve the health, safety and learning outcomes of our kids, irrespective of covid. But I'll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I just saw on the news that the CBS primary school in Wexford is reopening to students tomorrow following instruction from the Department of Education to do so. Meanwhile a school in Wicklow has reverted to online teaching but I think that was on advice from public health rather than a local decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Just got a message that school is reopening tomorrow following talks with board of education (CBS primary Wexford)

    20 past 9 at night we were informed of this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I assume you have children in the school? You obviously know more than the rest of us if so. What do you make of the situation? From the outside I would've thought letting them stay online for three more days would've been a sensible move considering the number of cases they had.


    Sorry, didn't mean to interrogate you! Just curious to hear your perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    It's all a bit of a mess really. A bit of an over reaction to close the school in the first place maybe but I don't envy the school board with the decision they had to make. They obviously felt it was the right thing to do.


    Saying that I don't see why they wouldn't just leave it closed until Friday and let them off on mid term. A lot of parents we know aren't sending the kids back for the week now as if it was so unsafe that they had to close a couple of days ago they aren't very comfortable with sending them back.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I think that principle did the right thing. Good timing to be fair, with the midterm next week also.But not a decision I'd envy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Thanks for the reply. I'm a teacher and felt the same as you about the board having to make that decision. Hope you and yours keep well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭the corpo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah but also very high community incidence of the disease, which according to NPHET is what creates school problems.

    The outbreak at the school came as Killarney’s rate shot from 361.4 to 567.4 per 100,000.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I cannot understand the bullish continuation of their policy in primary schools. Tracking, tracing and testing needs to be resumed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Reati


    Can you explain how schools and community differ?

    I see this frequently but don't got where the border is between them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The HSE say that cases in schools come from the community, families, multiple mixing etc. They also say that cases actually coming from schools are very low. So, if there is a lot of COVID in the community it follows that some kids may bring it in and test positive in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    And by the same token the kids who may bring it in to school mix with other kids in school who then bring it back to their families. The traffic goes both ways, but if there's no track, trace, test for school children that falls under the catch all community transmission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Clear from watching Minister Robert Troy on TonightVMTV last night the gov are either willfully playing dumb or just genuinely ignorant of problems with schools. He was claiming schools have plenty of ventilators (!!!) and those that didn't had all the money they needed to buy whatever they needed. Anthony Staines was on and had to correct him that the Department had provided some funding for C02 monitors - most schools haven't gotten anywhere near enough - and that it was true schools could use their capitation grants to apply for funding to buy purifiers.

    But y'know, schools use that money for silly things like, ooh, the electricity or the heating...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    They wouldn't buy sufficient masks or microphones for teachers wearing masks last year but they go and sink money into pointless CO2 monitors while the rest of the advice consists of open doors and windows.

    Just defies description.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I'm sorry but the hse are full of **** when it comes to schools at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Reati


    Exactly. This is the bit that the government "experts" gaslighting on Twitter seem to ignore.

    Personal favorite this week's was one of them days "we don't understand why there is a large case increase in 5-12 year olds."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Parents will take this into their own hands now . MM treating people like they were stuipid will not go down well

    Schools are safe he says while at the same time saying no contact tracing for children . Is he for real ? The dogs on the street know he is talking absolute shoite



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    5-12 year olds had the highest incidence rate in the country last week but hey ho, nothing to see here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    "insert Norma 'head in the sand' Foley Schools are safe meme"



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are we ignoring the reason this is the case. They are not vaccinated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Course if you don't contact trace, you can't actually know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    How have the 5-12 year olds suddenly the ‘highest incidence’ when throughout this pandemic they were consistently the lowest & least affected? Isn't is absolutely amazing timing that this piece of information is being presented just as the FDA in the US will grant authorisation to Pfizer for the vaccine for this age group based on a trial of just 2,000 children. Míchéal also said next month it could be authorised for use here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    The vaccine is suppressing case numbers in the older age groups by stopping many getting sick. If your vaccinated your not considered a close contact unless you have symptoms. It makes sense for there to be an increase in the incidence for this age group especially when the numbers in the community are so high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Yes they are definitely juking the stats months in advance of the vaccine possibly or maybe not being approved for that age group. Definitely.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Interestingly, it may suggest that kids were not actually an issue all along - vaccines have supressed numbers in adults so we can see a good picture of incidence in kids as adults go about a "normal" life.(I refer to adults there because their decisions on what to do day to day often dictates who kids come into contact with).

    It appears as an issue now, because incidence is lower everywhere else, but it took vaccines to lower adult cases.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    They may have been lowest all along because people weren't socialising as normal, therefore their kid's contacts were limited.Indicating it probably does spread easiest among adults.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Children were at school last year interacting & mixing. They still remained the group with the lowest incidence.



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