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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) **Mod warnings in OP**

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I think that principle did the right thing. Good timing to be fair, with the midterm next week also.But not a decision I'd envy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Thanks for the reply. I'm a teacher and felt the same as you about the board having to make that decision. Hope you and yours keep well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Yeah but also very high community incidence of the disease, which according to NPHET is what creates school problems.

    The outbreak at the school came as Killarney’s rate shot from 361.4 to 567.4 per 100,000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭History Queen


    I cannot understand the bullish continuation of their policy in primary schools. Tracking, tracing and testing needs to be resumed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Reati


    Can you explain how schools and community differ?

    I see this frequently but don't got where the border is between them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The HSE say that cases in schools come from the community, families, multiple mixing etc. They also say that cases actually coming from schools are very low. So, if there is a lot of COVID in the community it follows that some kids may bring it in and test positive in school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    And by the same token the kids who may bring it in to school mix with other kids in school who then bring it back to their families. The traffic goes both ways, but if there's no track, trace, test for school children that falls under the catch all community transmission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Clear from watching Minister Robert Troy on TonightVMTV last night the gov are either willfully playing dumb or just genuinely ignorant of problems with schools. He was claiming schools have plenty of ventilators (!!!) and those that didn't had all the money they needed to buy whatever they needed. Anthony Staines was on and had to correct him that the Department had provided some funding for C02 monitors - most schools haven't gotten anywhere near enough - and that it was true schools could use their capitation grants to apply for funding to buy purifiers.

    But y'know, schools use that money for silly things like, ooh, the electricity or the heating...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    They wouldn't buy sufficient masks or microphones for teachers wearing masks last year but they go and sink money into pointless CO2 monitors while the rest of the advice consists of open doors and windows.

    Just defies description.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I'm sorry but the hse are full of **** when it comes to schools at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭Reati


    Exactly. This is the bit that the government "experts" gaslighting on Twitter seem to ignore.

    Personal favorite this week's was one of them days "we don't understand why there is a large case increase in 5-12 year olds."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Parents will take this into their own hands now . MM treating people like they were stuipid will not go down well

    Schools are safe he says while at the same time saying no contact tracing for children . Is he for real ? The dogs on the street know he is talking absolute shoite



  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Messi19


    5-12 year olds had the highest incidence rate in the country last week but hey ho, nothing to see here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    "insert Norma 'head in the sand' Foley Schools are safe meme"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are we ignoring the reason this is the case. They are not vaccinated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Course if you don't contact trace, you can't actually know that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    How have the 5-12 year olds suddenly the ‘highest incidence’ when throughout this pandemic they were consistently the lowest & least affected? Isn't is absolutely amazing timing that this piece of information is being presented just as the FDA in the US will grant authorisation to Pfizer for the vaccine for this age group based on a trial of just 2,000 children. Míchéal also said next month it could be authorised for use here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    The vaccine is suppressing case numbers in the older age groups by stopping many getting sick. If your vaccinated your not considered a close contact unless you have symptoms. It makes sense for there to be an increase in the incidence for this age group especially when the numbers in the community are so high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,642 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Yes they are definitely juking the stats months in advance of the vaccine possibly or maybe not being approved for that age group. Definitely.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Interestingly, it may suggest that kids were not actually an issue all along - vaccines have supressed numbers in adults so we can see a good picture of incidence in kids as adults go about a "normal" life.(I refer to adults there because their decisions on what to do day to day often dictates who kids come into contact with).

    It appears as an issue now, because incidence is lower everywhere else, but it took vaccines to lower adult cases.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    They may have been lowest all along because people weren't socialising as normal, therefore their kid's contacts were limited.Indicating it probably does spread easiest among adults.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Children were at school last year interacting & mixing. They still remained the group with the lowest incidence.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Yes, that would be my point



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    Who cares if its spreading in children. Children were never a risk. We closed schools to protect elderly and vulnerable. So unless your child is vulnerable and unvaccinated then dont worry about it. Unless you worry about the Common cold which kills Millions of children every year, then dont worry about covid. So many people conditioned is actually a pandemic in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭the corpo


    "Unless you worry about the common cold which kills millions of children every year"

    Eh, what? No, it doesn't. I'm not sure you can even find stats for how many deaths are attributed to the common cold each year, which would be a tiny portion of deaths from flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

    Covid so far has killed 5 million people worldwide, with massive lockdowns and mitigation measures in place. Those same measures saw the US suffer 700 flu deaths in the most recent flu season (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/). In Ireland we've only just recorded a handful of flu cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I wonder what percentage of primary school pupils will be absent tomorrow in the aftermath of Hallowe'en parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30



    Abstract

    During an outbreak of severe acute respiratory infections in 2 orphanages, Vietnam, 7/12 hospitalized children died. All hospitalized children and 26/43 children from outbreak orphanages tested positive for rhinovirus versus 9/40 control children (p = 0.0005). Outbreak rhinoviruses formed a distinct genetic cluster. Human rhinovirus is an underappreciated cause of severe pneumonia in vulnerable groups.

    The World Health Organization estimates that ≈2 million children die each year from acute respiratory tract infection (ARI), and most live in developing countries (1). Human rhinovirus (HRV), a common cause of mild upper respiratory tract infections, may also cause severe ARI in children.


    Rhinovirus. The common cold.



  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Messi19




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    My kids had a lovely Halloween with their friends and they'll go into school as normal with with tomorrow. What does it matter if they have a party with them as they are in school with them anyway! Was lovely to see the children out trick or treating this evening. Just like normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    It’s likely hard to know for sure how many die from the common cold especially when it’s rarely tested for and sequenced. Depending on how a death is recorded then death could be put down to asthma or pneumonia etc and not a cold.

    It might seem unlikely but the common cold can trigger life threatening asthma attacks in children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    9 of 28 missing in ours today for whatever reason, might have been sleeping off the sugar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    We had a covid inspection today. Absolute joke. Checked signage, asked the same 5 questions to all the teachers, peaked into classrooms to ensure children were in their magical pods and left.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Half of the kids in my eldest's class were sick during the midterm. A handful were still not back Monday. I know of at least 5 who were tested and all were negative. There is aonther virus going around you know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Quoting how many PEOPLE flu kills each year or how many PEOPLE COVID has killed is irrelevant to his point and on a school thread.


    His point basically is - children are very low risk from COVID so let it rip (to some extent). High cases in schools in 5-12 year olds isn't much to be worried about once vulnerable and elderly people are protected via a booster vaccine now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Does anyone know how long children should stay away from primary school if a vaccinated parent tests positive?

    All kids have tested negative and the other parent negative as well (pcr tests). Is it 2 weeks from the positive test? What if you have negative anti-gen tests. Our kids will end up missing 3 weeks of school because of it, possibly, as there was initially coughs going around and we decided to keep them at home.

    How long can this be sustained? They could pick it up again in 3 months and have to miss more school.

    Really think they need to start looking more at anti-gen tests.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,695 ✭✭✭Lisha


    Unvaccinated children should stay away from school for 2weeks after their last contact with positive person.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Unfortunately i think it is 2 weeks.

    It is silly.... several families who are friends have been through this, and you basically end up wanting them to test positive so that it can just get over and done with.In addition, it is the smallest child who has brought it in both cases, so the healthy kids are then locked in 24/7 with the sick child for 17 days, basically meaning they are almost sure to catch it, which surely goes against the whole idea of not passing it on.It all seems ridiculous when you see it first hand to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    We have been told that the other adult who is negative is basically free to do what they want as they are vaccinated. This seems a bit strange as we know that vaccinated people can pass it on.

    I am not happy about the amount of school time our kids are missing.

    Like we know now that the virus is not going away and everyone is going to end up getting a booster plus there is an anti-viral pill on the way. So why are we stopping kids going to school when very few of them are being affected by it.

    I can understand staff in schools may be worried but with the numbers in schools it is pretty much impossible not to pick it up.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You think heading to school for a few hours will avoid children picking it up from siblings?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Yeah @Tigerandahalf some aspects of the situation are hard to understand.Also as I understand it, it is 17 days at home from the positive test for the other kids in the house,which seems to be a very long time - lots of people are realising they would get out sooner if they tested positive, which seems strange. A lot of school to miss on top of 2 previous years already, especially if it happens more than once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I know of someone who tested positive and HSE said for the kid to go to school despite living in the house so not sure that 2 weeks is being followed everywhere.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If an older kid and they are vaccinated this is correct, or if previously infected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    6000 students out with Covid19 according to VM1 news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    How many more are out waiting on tests or test results that will ultimately be negative?

    Ours will miss 3-4 days this week for something I'm fairly certain is only a cold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I thought 24 hours was test result turnaround


    It's 6000 not 600 my mistake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It might be 24 hours, but because of the volume of cases, the earliest appointment I could get yesterday morning at 9am in our county or neighbouriing counties was for 12:30 today. I spent a frustrating 30 minutes refreshing 6 centres locations to try to get one of the same-day cancellations that would occasionally show up, but to no avail.

    If results take 24 hours, then no school tomorrow either, 3 days.

    People on the testing thread reporting longer than 24 hour turnaround also.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    It's 3 days.

    A day waiting because you can't get a same-day test, the day of the test, then the 3rd day is waiting for the results.If you're lucky, 24 hours.If not, then a 4th day when it runs over 24 hours.

    It's a total and complete pain if you are keeping kids home for the 3rd or 4th time in a row, or trying to get a doctor's appointment for a sick child (which is also a 2 day wait now generally).You wouldn't want to have an emergency.The whole thing is a joke.Except it's not funny at all.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    To come back to this @titan18 , I have since heard that totally conflicting advice seems to be given out.Two families I know were told the siblings must stay home for 17 days from the negative test of the sick child.Two other families were told the siblings could return to school after Day 10, with a negative test at days 5 & 10.

    So, yeah....



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