Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious · 26-10-2021 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073890#Comment_118073890

The last sentence in yours, if it were not done to basically - milk them for cash - defraud the average Trump/GOP membership base [something I wouldn't put past him and others with an interest similar to his] would oblige him to carry out a successful two-part operation. 1: win the actual election. 2:if he fails to win it fairly, try for a re-run of Jan 2020. He'd have to have the total assistance of the GOP to do so. I think that with the number of criminal trials running/ending or starting of his 2020 election close acquaintances [incl those in his Capitol insurrection bid] they may not be as much interested in his future as in theirs. The acquaintances may have some vague hope of him being re-elected in order to get a presidential pardon for anything they are charged/convicted of in federal court in the next 3 years. Edit: the dislike he has raised between others is spilling over towards him now due to the statements he has made about them and their characters.

AMKC · 27-10-2021 03:13PM

Ha I see shares in the company that plans to formally list his new social network platform have fallen sharply.

Short sellers targeting the company good. Anything to stop this buffoon of a disgusting human to get on the airwaves again is good.

Quin_Dub · 27-10-2021 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080563#Comment_118080563

His plan here has nothing to do with him "getting back online" , it's about him grifting money from people gullible enough to by stock of the SPAC vehicle. I'd say it's even money at best if it ever even goes live tbh.

Even if "Truth Social" ever actually gets off the ground , it'll be a meaningless vacuum , just like of all the other "Free-speech" portals.

What all of these guys fail to understand is that people don't want a place to say what they want , they want a place that they can say what they want and to then get into a fight with someone who disagrees with them.

Social media thrives off the interaction and the disagreement - There'll be none of that on his platform (the T&C's in fact demand that).

At best some stuff from "Truth Social" will get posted on Twitter , but probably not really.

PopePalpatine · 28-10-2021 08:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080563#Comment_118080563

Half of me thinks he's already cashed out, the other half remembers he's the guy who can't run a casino profitably and opened a mortgage brokerage right before the 2008 crash.

Quin_Dub · 28-10-2021 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083647#Comment_118083647

Probably not. As you say , he's not exactly known for having good timing in business.

What we do know at least is that Marjorie Taylor-Greene has taken a possibly significant bath on the shares though..

According to reports she bought up to $50k worth of the stock at some point on the day the price exploded - Can't be sure exactly the price, but she bought at anywhere from $67 to $165 , the stock has since fallen back below $65.

So she's lost money and possibly a LOT of money - Which is something of a silver lining I guess.

Sam Russell · 28-10-2021 10:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083647#Comment_118083647

He also made a IRS tax return declaring a loss so big that there was not enough space on the form for the number of zeros by a lot.

BluePlanet · 28-10-2021 03:14PM

Evidently "Truth Social" may already be in legal trouble regarding the source software.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ce257800-652b-45ff-a15c-5ea79579d105

28-10-2021 03:31PM

Biden is still going on about him anyway..

If he runs again in 2024 he'll win..

Leroy42 · 28-10-2021 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118085932#Comment_118085932

Yeah, because its becoming increasingly clear how involved he was in the attempted coup.

Also, Trump had massive media coverage in 2020, and the years leading up to it, even using the WH to carry out electioneering.

And yet he still lost. Not being known, or talked about, is not Trumps issue. The issue is the more he is talked about, the more known about him, the less likely he has of winning.

Quin_Dub · 28-10-2021 04:58PM

If Trump runs in 2024 here's what happens.

He will lose the Popular vote by a massive margin , perhaps even into double digits on a percentage basis.

However because of the utterly bizarre Electoral college he may get close enough in 3 or 4 States to where flipping them makes the difference - By close I mean less than 30 to 40k votes of a margin.

This is where the massive problems for US Democracy will start though as the GOP have been changing laws and replacing key roles with compliant doormats since 2020.

So , if we have another Georgia or Arizona type scenario , the chances are that next time around the incumbent SoS WILL roll-over and do as Trump asks and "find" votes they claim are fraudulent etc. or the GOP as controlling parties in the State-house will refuse to certify and send forward their own electors etc.

Trump does not have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a straight-up Election , as Leroy says everybody knows who and what he is now and he is doing nothing to change peoples mind.

But, the current GOP won't even pause for thought if they see an opportunity to steal the Election for him by any means.

Without the Voting rights act in place before 2024 , it could genuinely be the last proper Election they ever have.

briany · 28-10-2021 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086266#Comment_118086266

To be honest, if what we know about Trump should hurt his political chances, then he shouldn't even be allowed to run for president of his local golf society, never mind President of the USA. How many things has he done or said which would have been considered utterly unimaginable for a previous president? Which would have been intolerably scandalous? I think the only sure ways to defeat Trump in the next election, were he to run, would be to A) offer a candidate with policies that don't make political nihilism seem very attractive and B) resist Republican attempts to disenfranchise as many likely Democrat voters as they can.

Brian? · 28-10-2021 05:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118085932#Comment_118085932

Why the certainty? He lost the last one in a landslide, wasn’t even close.

robinph · 28-10-2021 06:42PM

> Without the Voting rights act in place before 2024 , it could genuinely be the last proper Election they ever have.

But could that actually be a good thing in that it will force the system to be changed? Yes, it would mean another 4 years of the disaster that is Trump, and the dodgy voting rules become more dodgy to enable red states to remain red... But wouldn't that then force the hand of the bluer places to say enough of this and start serious moves to break up the union? Would the red states then flinch and back off from the nonsense such that a more sensible system can be put in place to keep things together?

It's a game of chicken though, which so far the Democrats are repeatedly losing.

briany · 28-10-2021 08:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086803#Comment_118086803

If the Democrats made serious noises about breaking up the union, it would just raise the temperature and lead to more sabre rattling from the Republicans. You may have your sensible establishment Republicans who would like to strike a more conciliatory tone, but I think the way the Republican party is going those voices would be drowned out or silenced. It just raises the probability of open confrontation and that is exactly what many in Trump's base seem to be seeking - the display they put on during 1/6 and the disturbing amount of support those actions had with the wider Republican base is indicative of this.

aloyisious · 28-10-2021 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080696#Comment_118080696

Can Trump use this to try make another IRS write-off claim if he has persuaded money-market speculators to invest in the vehicle and it crashes before it's stated launch date next month has been reached? I'd be surprised if he hasn't planned for another IRS write-off claim.

aloyisious · 28-10-2021 09:16PM

I expect D Trump Snr or Jnr to make a statement tonight on their usual style slamming former NY Gov Andrew Cuomo as he's been charged with a misdemeanor sex crime related charge in Albany City Court tonight.

Quin_Dub · 28-10-2021 10:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086803#Comment_118086803

Well no , it really wouldn't be a good thing.

Given his current absolute control over the GOP , if they got into power in '22 or '24 does anyone honestly think that Trump would try for the "President for Life" gig?

He'll claim that it's the only way to be safe as the Democrats can't be trusted because they cheat so much blah blah blah.

If Trump were to cheat his way to victory in 2024 it would be the end of the US as anything remotely close to a functioning democracy.

Saying this even a few years ago would have been rampant hyperbolic lunacy , but today sadly it's a very genuine and tangible risk

robinph · 29-10-2021 12:25AM

I wouldn't be worried about the duration of Trumps potential "president for life" gig if he were to get back in in 2024. He'd need to majorly turn around his health to be lasting any significant duration.

What others may manage to screw with in the background is a massive concern, but if it's dependent on Trump not killing himself from eating too many Big Mac's the time they would have to work with will surely be limited. If the VP was someone competent it would be a big problem, but Trump isn't likely to have someone with any political skills as his VP, and anyone with sights on the presidency after Trump will be wanting to keep a safe distance until after he's gone.

kowloon · 29-10-2021 12:51AM

He has family that you can be sure will try and cash in on their father's fame/infamy.

briany · 29-10-2021 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118088162#Comment_118088162

I think we need to dispense with the idea of Trump dropping dead from poor lifestyle choices. The way people talk about him, he should be dead ten years already, but he's not. He'll die one day, and poor lifestyle may be a factor, but I am not confident that it's imminent.

29-10-2021 04:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118088162#Comment_118088162

There certainly HAS been a certain brain drain of useful talent but The show isn't over till ...

Quin_Dub · 29-10-2021 04:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118088162#Comment_118088162

Well obviously , but Trump will have poisoned the well such that the GOP will claim that voting can no longer be trusted so they use the method that those infallible founding fathers used and each State will send forth Electors chosen by the Governors and/or State House/Senate of which they control the majority.

They'll wrap themselves up in the Flag and the "originalist" constitution and simply refuse to recognise Elections anymore.

Timberrrrrrrr · 03-11-2021 01:56PM

Trump claiming he helped Youngkin win last night despite the fact Youngkin avoided Trump and his MAGA message like the plague

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1455702016408305669?t=Isf5g84tzuvVo3FQo9Jf8Q&s=09

Would love to see the Dems start calling fraud on the election and demand audits just to pìss him off.

pixelburp · 03-11-2021 04:25PM

The mention of Trump Jr. does remind that above all else, it's always worth remembering that this family consistently presents itself as one with barely a shred of decency or empathy. Why in this case? Because Trump Jr. is currently selling T-Shirts from his website, mocking Alec Baldwin's recent and tragic on-set shooting.

Donald Trump Jr. is selling T-shirts on his web site that mock the fatal shooting on Alec Baldwin's movie set.

The T-shirts promoted on his website include the tagline "guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people."

The shirts retail for $27.99 and appeared online after Baldwin accidentally fired a prop gun on a movie set that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, Insider reported.

Presumably, this is a bitter retaliation because of Baldwin's frequent impersonation of Donald TRump Sr. on SNL

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/578293-donald-trump-jr-sells-t-shirts-mocking-alec-baldwins-fatal

Rjd2 · 03-11-2021 07:55PM

The Trump comments on Virginia are absurd as he lost the state by 10 points and when Corey Stewart run for senate on a pure MAGA ticket he lost by 16 points.

Youngkin has set a template for other GOP people in blue/purple states, just do enough to keep him happy but keep him away especially towards the end. The 2 Georgia senators who lost in January learned this lesson the hard way.

The statement however is more proof if any was needed he will run in 2024, its killing him Youngkin is getting all this shine,,,,as if he is getting to step aside and allow Pence, RDS the GOP nomination ,,,,probably one of the few things that comfort the Dems atm.

duploelabs · 03-11-2021 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114521#Comment_118114521

It makes it clear that in those states trump's name is muck, and without those purple states trump will never win in 2024. So what's the GOP leadership to do?

Rjd2 · 03-11-2021 09:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114611#Comment_118114611

Its a brutal thing to say and I would never wish this on anyone,,,,but from a pure strategic POV the best thing for the GOP would be Trump to drop dead before then.

He won't be beaten in a primary because he has minimum 30% GOP vote locked in and I assume the likes of De Santis and Hailey would not want the hassle and focus on 2028 instead.

If I were a Biden/Harris I'd be much more content to run against Trump than the other contenders such as RDS, Hailey etc.

spacecoyote · 04-11-2021 01:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114611#Comment_118114611

If they get a bunch of governor, etc... wins in though, it makes it alot easier to turn the states red from purple by being able to implement various voting right/suppression rules.

So it wouldnt matter how toxic he is if they can basically reduce the ability of demographics that traditonally don't vote rep to vote at all

ancapailldorcha · 04-11-2021 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114828#Comment_118114828

I'm inclined to agree with this. If he runs again, it'll end in defeat for the GOP unless the Democrats repeat their mistake of 2016.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a Trump-like figure to replace him. I thought the GOP would discard him for a boilerplate copy but their base still seem to be obsessed with him and he'll burn the GOP if they abandon him properly.

Rjd2 · 04-11-2021 06:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118117722#Comment_118117722

Its near impossible to replicate Trump. I have heard some have said you may get an intellectual version of Trump but that's not possible!

Trump even before he ran for president was a piece of pop culture who had marketed himself as the American dream personified. He also has insane charisma and is very much a Ric Flair type person. He knew playing to one base would rile up the other side very successfully. He just got the math's wrong in 2020.

I don't see anyone who could be a mini Trump, maybe if pressed the barstool guy in 4-8 years, but even still big ask as he is unknown to so many.

The other problem for Hailey, RDS etc, you will have to handle Trump with kid gloves in a primary because its quite possible even if you beat him he could still be a pain and run a 3rd party campaign while calling you a "RINO".....Trump on the other hand won't think twice about burying anyone in a primary .

Not worth the hassle if you are under 50 is it?

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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