Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Only around 6% or 7% of the adult population over here are unvaccinated, however they are taking up an estimated two-thirds of ICU beds for Covid patients. That's a relatively small group putting a disproportionate drain on hospital resources.

You seem to be projecting your own emotions onto others, this is the second time I've seen you do this, will be interesting if this is a pattern of argument from you to distract from the facts of the situation.

Or you're just an angry person.

The real cult is the people obsessed with vaccinations, masks, social distancing, lockdowns etc.

These are straightforward measures to reduce the spread of an infectious airborne virus. Vaccines have been around for hundreds of years, e.g. we used to die in our hundreds of millions to Smallpox, it's now eradicated thanks to global vaccination.

yeah hopefully they will stop relying on pure lies from paeudo science websites and maybe realise that vaccinations work.

sure - that would be great

But how realistic do you think that is at this stage? Or do you think more and more legal means of marginalization are needed? How far do you think the state should go with this? What makes you think someone who has waited out this long is suddenly going to start listening now?

I'm all for vaccination programs. Myself and my wife are vaccinated. And all those related to us (bar one whose gone down the Great Reset 2030 road).. So this isn't an anti vax thing. I did see the vaccination as the way out (not really proving to be the case given the still prevalent obsession about case numbers amongst otherwise healthy people)

Are we not at the point of diminishing returns? But with a whole lot of division sown?

The paper this articles cites in essence says that vaccinated infected people are more likely to spread infection to vaccinated people, than to unvaccinated people:

Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of Delta variant (B.1.617.2), August-September 2021, the Netherlands | medRxiv

They're furthermore revising down their estimates with each subsequent analysis, which they discuss in the paper. 40% effectiveness in reducing transmission isn't sufficient to prevent spread in a population with 100% vaccination.

Imagine being obsessed with 9% of people who, for whatever reason decline to take the super duper vaccine that is so great it fails to work if said 9% don’t take it.

I completely understand the logic. Just say you had the virus. You passed it to the unvaccinated beside you. You will more than likely be fine but he/she has a higher chance of spreading it and ending up in hospital and ICU. Of course he /she might not end up in there but if you have large groups of people unvaccinated and outbreaks happen between them they are more likely to overwhelm hospitals vs a pub load of vaccinated people who will spread it more slowly and less likely end up in hospital after their night out. So it makes sense to prevent unvaccinated having groups in enclosed areas.

I find it amazing how people fail to understand this.

That's fair enough. I'll take that on its merits.

Ultimately though, that's their choice. Not mine. Their personal choices don't matter to me. And I don't really care if they share the same space as me. Especially as the vast majority of them aren't likely to be in the at risk demographic.

Ireland's real problem is how a small number of unvaccinated people can seemingly bring its junk hospital system to its knees.

But yet every day brings another well paid HSE and Dept of Health apparatchik to the fore informing us how it's everyone else's fault that decades of mismanagement has left us with a pig in a poke.

The capacity of the health system won't be fixed over the course of a pandemic and no parties are offering a change on what's there that will ultimately "fix" the system, which means relying on restrictions until the worst of the pandemic is over.

This means the vaccinated get more freedoms than the unvaccinated till it's over (i.e. the burden on the health system is manageable without restrictions in place).

We're unlikely to get too much of a higher % until the 5-11 year olds get approved so for the unvaccinated it's going to be continued exclusions.

With all due respects seemingly better hospital systems than ours are having issues as well .

We are having a totally unnecessary doubling of hospitalisations and ICU admissions because of the choice of tiny proprtion of the population.

While I said that everyone is treated in hospital , it's not lost on most people that while an alcoholic or drug user is an addict and cannot quickly change his or her behaviour which is impacting on their health ...

Patients who self harm are usually not responsible for their actions but it is a cry for help and part of deeper psychological mental health problems.

Some of the antivaxxers may fall into this latter category, but it is entirely different when the patient is harming themself knowingly , despite all advice and science to the contrary .

It really can't be excused or minimised anymore .