Changes in the GAA - super thread

How was proposal B going to address any of the issues you outlined above. They'll still be playing, albeit in slightly better weather, in front of one man and a dog for 7 games and get pummelled by superpowers in the first knockout game. The fact you can't see this is baffling. This addresses no imbalances at all.

Was it the flaw of the 6th place Div 1 team or the flaw of making the provincials a second rate competition that was the issue, or both ?

I thought B might sneak through and then pass.

Under proposal B it certainly wouldn't have stopped weak get weaker and strong get stronger. Those that voted against proposal B seen that today the likes of John Horan, Tom Ryan, Larry McCarthy was too stubborn to make the necessary adjustments to the proposals before getting delegates to vote on them.

So no Tailteann Cup ?

That's still going ahead as I understand it for the Div 3 and 4 teams that fail to make their provincial finals. It'll reduce the overall number of qualifiers also.

Both and the idea of just 10 of the 32 teams getting a knock out championship tie wasn't a big appeal for half of the voters.

Your preference for Division 1 and 2 sides plus the Tailteann Cup winner to be in Tier 1 has already been approved.

Only these countries plus Division 3 and 4 counties making a provincial final will be permitted entry to the All-Ireland qualifiers from next year.

No offense to the JoeMcD teams but I think it's tolerated in hurling because everyone knows the team coming up won't win Liam or have much of a say in who does.

If football wants to stay 32 county I think the best thing short term is have groups in the provencial championship even if some groups will be uneven

Why have 5 Div 2, 3 Div 3 and 2 Div 4 teams and only 6 Div 1.

You are excluding the 7th and 8th best teams in the country from the last 16 while adding the 13th, 19th and 26th.

I think its acceptable as teams in both divisions start out with a chance to play in and for the liam Mccarthy.

I think your argument that it's only tolerated cos they won't win anyway is a very ignorant and elitist attitude to have. Surely your logic could be applied to football or are the division 4 teams not allowed to cause a shock and win a game

My proposal retains the possibility for the provincial system to secure a spot in the race for Sam, but with a significant twist.

The 32 teams (31 from the island of Ireland + London) are divided into 4 Ranganna (let's take the order of the 2021 league as a starting point, I'm organising them in pairs as there were no divisional finals (apart from Div 3), and there are never finals to find the worst team in the division. But the exact order will potentially become important in later years).

• Rang A: Kerry & Dublin, Donegal & Tyrone, Armagh & Monaghan, Galway & Roscommon
• Rang B: Mayo & Kildare, Clare & Meath, Cork & Down, Westmeath & Laois
• Rang C: Derry & Offaly, Limerick & Fermanagh, Wicklow & Longford, Cavan & Tipperary
• Rang D: Louth & Antrim, Carlow & Waterford, Wexford & Sligo, Leitrim & London

Teams from Ranganna 1 & 2 are drawn to form 4 groups of 4 in the group stage of the All-Ireland championship, this could be randomly done, but I prefer this system:

• A1, A5, B4, B8 (Kerry, Armagh, Meath, Westmeath)
• A2, A6, B3, B7 (Dublin, Monaghan, Clare, Laois)
• A3, A7, B2, B6 (Donegal, Galway, Kildare, Down)
• A4, A8, B1, B5 (Tyrone, Roscommon, Mayo, Cork)

Teams play each other on a home and away basis, so 6 games each in the group stage.

The top 2 in each group qualify directly for the All-Ireland SFC quarter-finals and go into Rang A for 2023.

The bottom 2 in each group go into the relegation quarter-finals (ordered by strongest playing weakest) and semi-finals in order to find 2 teams that will drop to Rang C of the following year. The remaining 6 will play in Rang B in 2023.

The same system applies for Ranganna C and D (Tailteann Cup or whatever form it takes), the top 2 of each group qualify directly for the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals, with the finalists securing promotion to Rang B the following year. The remaining 6 will play in Rang C in 2023. The 8 teams that finish bottom in each of the 4 groups finish their season here.

• A1, A5, B4, B8 (Derry, Wicklow, Waterford, London)
• A2, A6, B3, B7 (Offaly, Longford, Carlow, Leitrim)
• A3, A7, B2, B6 (Limerick, Cavan, Antrim, Sligo)
• A4, A8, B1, B5 (Fermanagh, Tipperary, Louth, Wexford))

The major twist is that the above would be the provisional placing of teams for the 2022 championship, subject to the outcomes of the 2022 provincial championships which will be played in early 2022, with the caveat that a team from Rang C or Rang D that makes it to a provincial final would have a place in the All-Ireland SFC.

Let's imagine Cavan and Tipperary reawake from the dead and get to a provincial final in the spring of 2022 (and this could be made all the more likely if an open draw is imposed on the provincial councils). Then Cavan and Tipperary will slip into the All-Ireland championship, but not at the expense of the 2 teams that have been promoted from the Tailteann Cup in 2021, but from teams 5 and 6 in rang B.

(The exact order of teams in Rang B becomes important if 1 or 3 teams come out of the provincial system)

• In this system, each of the 33 counties have the opportunity to play in the All-Ireland SFC (New York included, if they manage to get to a Connacht final!)
• Suspense is maintained for the composition of the teams in the All-Ireland SFC until the provincial final stage is reached
• Finishing in Rang 2 does not guarantee a place in the All-Ireland SFC of the following year, but the higher up you are, the less chance you have of being replaced by a provincial finalist
• Dead-rubbers will be less likely, as team will try to avoid being badly-placed in Rang B but they could of course happen
• A minimum of 7 games per team, many will play 8, the All-Ireland and Tailteann winners would have played 9

Let's be having ye 🤓

And if someone can mail this on to Colm Parkinson, ye can tell him he can label it as The Wooly championship Mark II.

You also have Limerick in there twice

Ranganna = plural of rang