Changes in the GAA - super thread

recyclebin

You would assume that promoted teams would seed higher than relegated teams after that years league. Has this been confirmed?

Winners of Division 2: 7th Seed

Runner up of Division 2: 8th Seed

Second from bottom division 1: 9th Seed

Bottom of division 1: 10th Seed

Dr. Bre

Laois manager wants penalties replaced with frees to decide games . I agree. I think 5 45s would be better than penalties

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118507972#Comment_118507972

Why? Players more tired, penalties allows more chance, goalie opportunity to save a shot as well as player potentially missing the shot.

After extra time, players can often be running on empty so 45s that bit harder than penalties as well.

munsterdevil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118508057#Comment_118508057

There’s also the fact that a very small minority of players can take 45s. Would be a ridiculous change.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118507888#Comment_118507888

I don't think it's been clarified.

But there are only 4 seeds in each group so you would not have ,7th seed, 8th seed etc.

In the 2019 example Donegal and Meath came 1st and 2nd in Div 2.

But they were seeded 1st and 2nd in their groups because one was a provincial champion and the other a provincial runner up.

Mayo won the league but were a 3rd seed because they did not make a provincial final.

In the 2019 example it was only at the bottom of Div 2 that you needed to ask the question, because the bottom of Div 1 and top of Div 2 had already got their seeding from the provincials.

What I like about this is that it gives due recognition to Div 1 and Div 2 teams for being better teams than 3 and 4.

A 3 or a 4 team can get into the Sam McGuire by getting to a provincial final, or by getting promoted and hoping that another Div 3 or 4 team does not make a provincial final the next year.

I'm going to assume their will be some reward for winning the secondary competition also, like an automatic place in the last 16 of the Sam McGuire the next year.

km79

It’s a more bloated version of the awful super 8s?

More games . More dead rubbers . More hammerings ?

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516383#Comment_118516383

Don't think there would be more dead rubbers - they are playing for the top 3 - I also wouldn't let the "dead rubber" tail wag the "better championship" dog

callaway92

Off topic post here, but does the Connacht GAA Air Dome have WiFi there? Bringing iPad today and would need it (alternative is phone’s hotspot)

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516924#Comment_118516924

Yes having 3 qualify from 4 leads to less dead rubbers instead of more.

That third place will probably always be up for grabs.

However in an article on the RTE website about it today they mentioned that that might be an subject of tweaking, as there is very little jeopardy when 3 of 4 can make it out of the group.

It might end up with just the first two.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118517247#Comment_118517247

I think every round of a championship where possible should eliminate 50%. All we are getting with this new green option is a bloated super 8s with a confusing qualification process that will put people off. If they are mad to keep provincials just have them be the round robin like hurling

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118520174#Comment_118520174

But you can't do to the football provincials what was done to the hurling ones.

The hurling provincials and thus the hurling championship have already been reformed.

They have already had their equivalent of Proposal A, B, Green and Red, and what we have now is the outcome of that.

The Munster and Leinster championships are good and exciting and competitive, but that's only because Galway are in Leinster and the weakest counties in each (Kerry, Carlow etc) are excluded unless they win the secondary competition.

And even then Kerry are moved into Leinster, rather than their geographical home of Munster.

So the hurling championship has already made it's reforms to improve it, and fair play to them for doing so.

Pussyhands

Water breaks to be scrapped this week! Happy days! A joke of a thing to begin with. Copying it purely from the premier league because they restarted their league in the middle of summer when they don't usually play. That's why they brought in water breaks.

Laughed at the time a manager on tv took a shwig out of a bottle and then threw it onto one of the players anyways.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118526103#Comment_118526103

It wasnt why they were brought in but good theyre gone now

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118526262#Comment_118526262

In the UK it was brought in due to higher temps the players wouldn't be used to after not being in action for so long.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118526265#Comment_118526265

It was because they were worried about fitness levels with the interupted training among other things.

Glad it's gone though

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118520174#Comment_118520174

I dont think its a great system tbh but its pretty clear how it works, i fail to see where the confusion might arise?

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118526929#Comment_118526929

I thought it was due to covd regs so each player had their own personal water bottle etc? As opposed to just throwing them on to the pitch?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530617#Comment_118530617

Linking it to the league will be confusing and unpopular with fans who aren't forum nerds like ourselves. Also stuff like Limerick (or whoever) are in TC unless they win Munster then they are in Sam and who the fk knows is in TC.

Having 2 seeding paths is through a linked league is just stupid anyway.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530644#Comment_118530644

Ah ok yeah, i thought you meant the confusion was around how teams would qualify from the actual groups

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530644#Comment_118530644

Limerick (or whoever) are in the Sam McGuire Cup of they get to a Munster (or whatever) final, they don't have to win it.

In two of the past three years Cork and Kerry have been drawn against each other in the Munster SF, thus making the path to the final easier for the others.

Plus the teams that get to the Munster final get a bye into the semi final the next year.

So if Limerick were to make it to a final, they would only be one game away from the final the next year.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533747#Comment_118533747

So who goes into the TC instead of them ?

The lowest placed division 2 side I assume.

An Ciarraioch

Yes - after the eight provincial finalists are decided, the eight highest placed League teams who didn't make a final qualify for Sam Maguire - most will be from Divisions 1 and 2, but in the above scenario, Limerick will jump the queue, and knock a D2 team into the Tailteann Cup.

Coillte_Bhoy

Actually the more i think about it, the more i like this proposal, it ticks a lot of boxes, keeps the prov championships, (which i disagree with but have to be realistic, they aint going anywhere for a while yet), gives every team a shot at the Sam, and a meaningful champions league style competition for the weaker teams along of course with the stronger teams, and gives added incentive to do well in the league. Id really prefer to see three tiers but it can be tweaked in future years

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118507972#Comment_118507972

Probably a bit of anti soccer in that nonsense

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543097#Comment_118543097

So fans of division 2 sides are going to have to keep a keen eye on the league and an eye on all 4 provincial championships to know what tournament they will be in.

Personally I would be doing that anyway and most on here probably the same but its gonna turn a lot of fans away.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549215#Comment_118549215

Surely that would make it more interesting and intriguing than less ?

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549215#Comment_118549215

How go you mean 'turn them away'? Its hardly rocket science in fairness, teams will do as best they can in the league and if they are in the bottom 2 or 3 then they may be sweating a while, its no big deal

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549332#Comment_118549332

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549806#Comment_118549806

Most people filling the seats come championship are casual fans who let's say in a place like Limerick or Cork have been following rugby, soccer and hurling all year too. It's a lot to keep track of and convoluted systems turn people off.

It's similar this year with the Champions cup system in rugby or the awful conference crap they Americans do. You han hear people switch off or get disinterested any time you try talk about it.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549905#Comment_118549905

It isnt that difficult to follow though. especially this example of a format.

The champions cup format this season again isnt that difficult to follow. 2 groups of 12. teams seeded in 4 levels and you play home and away against 2 teams at other levels who are not from your league.

and the US system of conferences isnt awful at all.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549953#Comment_118549953

If you like the US system Ican see why you dont have a problem with the rest. I think teams in a league who dont pay each other is a load of sht. Champions League is going that way too and the average fan or pundit aint happy. Cup tournaments should be simple formats with small groups and straight knockout. No shte of needing to check over and back all the time across finished leagues and other provinces to see where you are.

The Championship needed changing but this wasnt it. Cant see it lasting and my suspicion is the implementers know this and further changes await.