Changes in the GAA - super thread

An Ciarraioch

Indeed, the major drawback with Proposal A is that to even up the provinces, you'd essentially be sending Carlow and Wexford to Munster, Wicklow or Longford to Connacht, and Fermanagh or Antrim to the same province, which does nothing for the competitiveness of the counties in question, or those championships, so it would essentially amount to rearranging the Titanic's deckchairs.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059368#Comment_118059368

But B is getting fair support and that downgrades the prov chsips, change is coming one way or another

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059540#Comment_118059540

Mayo have negotiated the qualifiers for a few years prior to the pandemic championships. The provincial championships have still held strong despite the qualifiers.

It'll be interesting to see how the provincial championships fair out separated from the All-Ireland structure. Kerry will still want to beat Cork in a Munster final. Mayo, Roscommon or Galway will want to get the better of the other for local bragging rights. I can't see any of the Ulster counties not wanting to be top dog in the toughest football provincial championship. Meath and Kildare will want to knock the Dubs off their perch against all the odds.

If Proposal B is approved, Leinster might want to consider a top tier round robin of 6. Top 2 into Leinster final. Bottom team relegated.

The remaining 5 teams could compete in the O'Byrne Cup round robin with the winner promoted.

StupidLikeAFox

I don't know why its such a sacred cow to have every county playing for Sam. There's no logical reason why the winners of div 4 and div 3 should get a crack at Sam but 6th (even 7th and 8th) in div 1 don't.

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060103#Comment_118060103

No logic at all but it hasnt a hope of getting through otherwise

doc_17

If B goes through, teams will still get rankings in their provincial championship, except they might get more than one in a round robin system. Leitrim might have to play Mayo, Galway and Roscommon in the same year. And because it’s a league format, scoring difference could come into it, which would make those teams want to hammer the weaker teams.

Fr Tod Umptious

If plan B goes ahead I can see a situation where if a Div 1 team make a bad start to the league but could still recover and come 6th will pack it in knowing that next year they will have as better chance of getting to the Sam McGuire as top 3 team in Div 2, and get promoted.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060103#Comment_118060103

In truth there are about 20 counties who have never played for Sam but the Football cant seem to bring themselves to admit it like hurling has

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061236#Comment_118061236

If Plan B goes ahead, the 6th placed team will eventually be included. This will most likely be through a vote at congress next spring.

The inclusion of the Division 3 and 4 winners in debatable. In a couple of years it might be decided that the Tailteann Cup winner from the previous year will join the top 6 from Division 1 and the top 3 from Division 2 in the knockout stage.

Plan B can be the foundation on which future amendments build around for a more fair and balanced championship.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061317#Comment_118061317

If the idea is to give smaller teams something to play for them having the Div 4 champions in Sam is absolutely stupid. Better off in the Tailteann which they might win.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061236#Comment_118061236

A number of club championships including the Limerick hurling one use a similar format and so far no team has taken the risk of dropping down into the group with less qualifying spots

An Ciarraioch

The debate is well underway now - no confirmed time for voting, but would imagine we'll have a result by 1.

An Ciarraioch

Voting has begun!

namloc1980

It didn't pass! Fuk that anyway. Back to the hurling round robin next season thankfully.

An Ciarraioch

Defeated - 50.6% in favour, but 60% required.

An Ciarraioch

85-83 in terms of actual votes.

Beechwoodspark

Proposal B voted down thank god.

LuckyGent88

Hardly surprising. The powers that be don’t give a flying **** about the players really. Bunch of dinosaurs afraid of change. The football championship is beyond stale at this stage with so many mismatches.

so now they need to find a new committee to come up with another task force to find another format that will be defeated once again.

ultimately I think the players need to get tough here and take drastic action. The views of them are being ignored so I believe they need to strike until change is brought it

cantwbr1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062086#Comment_118062086

But not enough players came out in support of the proposal. To my knowledge no player from Ulster publicly supported change. Based on that it’s no wonder it didn’t get enough votes

namloc1980

Back to the qualifiers next season which are dire for the most part. Very disappointing.

An Ciarraioch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062109#Comment_118062109

Niall Morgan did, as did Oisín McConville last week.

Treble double

Bad day for football,

Have zero interest in next year's championship

Good day for hurling men

Beechwoodspark

Both plan A and plan B had huge flaws

back to the drawing boards

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062155#Comment_118062155

A was horrible but B was good. Every proposal will have flaws so if the aim is to standstill until a flawless proposal comes along then change will never happen

B2021M

Why does the championship have to be over so early in these proposals? There should be a significant group/knockout competition played in mid June to July/Aug after the league in its current format is played in April/May/early June. I thought players wanted more matches and less training?

Treble double

Alot of div 4 teams will struggle to get players to fill a squad for championship next summer.

As long as Galway, Mayo, Kerry and Dublin can railroad their way to the quarter finals who cares.

As for the likes of Fermanagh voting against it... there is no words

20 delegates didn't vote.. what is that about.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062176#Comment_118062176

That's already been decided at the last Congress. It's to give club championships prominence over the summer months.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/split-inter-county-and-club-seasons-with-july-all-ireland-finals-from-2022-after-unanimous-vote-at-gaa-congress-40138241.html

B2021M

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062232#Comment_118062232

I know but I'm not sure it's the way to go...the county teams need prominence for longer

cantwbr1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062121#Comment_118062121

Glad to be corrected but that leaves an awful lot of silent voices (for or against the proposal).

silence gives the boards free reign to vote as they please and say that the players are happy

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118062243#Comment_118062243

That one has been decided so time to move on.

I have virtually zero interest in going back to the mostly one sided provincials and the largely boring qualifiers in the football championship.