Spiking.

21-10-2021 11:15pm #1

just noticed a lot of these articles in the British media over the last few weeks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10118013/Nightclub-spiking-victims-ordeal-left-semi-paralysed-highlights-risks-women-facing.html

While i believe "spiking" does occasionally happen, I wonder how many of these stories are people who voluntarily ingested substances but do not recall ingesting them because they were intoxicated

One eyed Jack · 21-10-2021 11:59pm

Isn’t the whole point of these stories about the fact that they were the victim of ingesting substances they didn’t voluntarily ingest?

The latest method is just as insidious -

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/terrified-women-describe-blackouts-and-sickness-after-suspected-spiked-needle-attacks-12439264

Jequ0n · 22-10-2021 6:09am

Just because it happens doesn’t mean you don’t get tools making it up as an excuse or for attention.

A valuable article (well, daily mail). They demand that venues hand out drinks with lids to prevent drinks being spiked. Yeah, that will fix it. God forbid people mind their own drinks.

And how do you not feel a needle prick?

Strumms · 22-10-2021 6:27am

I’m a male but I’ve never left a drink so that it could be spiked.

i go to the bathroom or the bar I tell whomever I’m with to mind my drink, I’ll also put a beer mat and napkin if there is one over it and leave it so it’s not too accessible to passing scumbags... it MIGHT be that somebody could flick a small pill or powder into a drink in a dark and busy pub if it was uncovered but that ain’t really going to go unnoticed if they have to reach over, remove a napkin and beermat to spike it...

if somebody asks me to mind a drink I’ll do just that, mind it...keep it in eye contact... seems like there is really a rise of these incidents and in turn a rising scumbag cohort out and about..

notAMember · 22-10-2021 6:28am

Victim blaming and not believing women straight out of the gate. Nice show boardsies. These woman are being hospitalised, there is a noticeable uptick. It’s 18 year olds out for the night with their friends, ending up in hospital for “attention” is fun you think? .

Every newspaper has it at the moment, alongside the indecent exposure reports gone through the roof.

And I imagine you do feel a needle prick, but it’s not as noticeable when you have had a drink, and in a nightclub you might dismiss it as a bump against a table or a persons bag.

notAMember · 22-10-2021 6:31am

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOVxZ1IEjw/?utm_medium=copy_link

that post has a bunch of newspaper reports , an example

22-10-2021 7:35am

Get too intoxicated and make a fool of oneself. "I was spiked". I am sure there are cases but the volume of these reports suggest mass hysteria.

22-10-2021 7:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118055765#Comment_118055765

If it really is a method. All i see on the photois a very minor injury. How come no article contains a picture of the alleged victum holding up a positive toxicology report, or their blood alcohol level at(will be huge) the time they attended hospital. I remember during the rohypnol panic, the rape crisis centre reporting out of 200 alleged spikings not one person tested positive for a date rape drug outside those who had voluntarily ingested a benzo

Jequ0n · 22-10-2021 7:49am

"I found a pinprick in my lap where the pain was and it was then I thought it's kind of official, I'd been spiked by an injection."

Yes, “it’s kind of official”. Ok then..

In the past people were warned about the possibility of someone spiking their drinks. Now the same old thing is turned into another “women are not safe” hysteria.

osarusan · 22-10-2021 8:05am

I am sure most of those who claimed their drinks had been spiked had just consumed too much alcohol, but somebody else secretly adding a shot of vodka to a pint a few times during a night out is another form of spiking in my eyes.

I have had it done to me by friends who thought it would be hilarious to get me absolutely legless on my birthday many years ago.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-10-2021 8:14am

There was study done in one of the London hospitals about people claiming to have been spiked

only a handful of cases where anything was found in their blood only blackout levels of alcohol

22-10-2021 9:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056208#Comment_118056208

A few years back an A&E doctor on one of the morning programmes said just what you’ve just said. The only thing put in their alcohol was more alcohol.

whisky_galore · 22-10-2021 9:14am

Latest moral panic bogeyman, propelled by media.

Canis Lupus · 22-10-2021 9:15am

The number of times I've picked up my missus gibbering about only having 2 drinks whilst she's been out on the tiles since 4pm... She must be getting a drink spiked every time.

22-10-2021 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056377#Comment_118056377

A bit after houry but are you sure you are the only one picking up the missus after a night on the tiles?

Floppybits · 22-10-2021 6:37pm

Spiking has been around for years. Like a poster said earlier I would never have left a drink unattended in case some sick f**k got their kicks out of slipping something into it.

Anyone caught interfering with someone's drink or jabbing them with a needle, jesus how sick and twisted do you need to be to do that, should face a jail sentence.

francois · 22-10-2021 7:26pm

2 arrested in Nottingham

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-59011522

22-10-2021 7:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059358#Comment_118059358

Headline says one thing.. goes through all the ones that made reports then the important bit , "Police said the arrests were not linked to a specific report by an individual of an alleged spiking by needle, or contamination of a drink." It seems in part of their investigation of dozen of complaints, none were linked to the two arrested. i.e lots of hysterical false complaints

francois · 22-10-2021 8:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059470#Comment_118059470

I suppose a randomer posting on an Irish website has greater insight than the investigating police who were acting on information supplied to them.

22-10-2021 8:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059545#Comment_118059545

read the article and the quote i gave. it looks like in the course of the investigation they uncovered a crime unrelated to any of the allegations.. I bet when and if charges are brought it will be about drug possession only

francois · 22-10-2021 8:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059553#Comment_118059553

I have. "It looks like..."is your speculation. Let's wait on the investigating officers supply evidence rather than randomer speculation.

Faugheen · 22-10-2021 10:17pm

I really hope nobody immediately dismissing the claims have daughters.

Those poor girls face an awful upbringing.

22-10-2021 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060335#Comment_118060335

They're the very same folk who'd be all grizzly bear dad if they had.

22-10-2021 10:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118056371#Comment_118056371

You're basing that on what now?

Yes, folk that young can think their drink was spiked when they just drank too much. I thought it myself once when I was 22 - it was definitely just too much drink/smoke though - so I'm not denying that possibility.

But if these girls are finding needle marks, let's cut them some slack instead of defaulting to the standard "women just looking for attention" trope.

Go on, be different! 😊

Quantum Erasure · 22-10-2021 10:38pm

and what would they be injecting them with, do we know?

Housefree · 22-10-2021 10:50pm

The amount of people that I no saying they got spiked ' I was never like that after 15 vodkas'

Have been leaving my drink lying about looking for the mystical free drugs for years, never happened

Faugheen · 22-10-2021 10:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060487#Comment_118060487

Never happened to you, so therefore it never happens.

Typical lazy tropes.

Jequ0n · 22-10-2021 10:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060444#Comment_118060444

From the lack of evidence it appears to be alcohol in the vast majority of cases. But the actual new superdrug is certainly intriguing.

Munstergirl854 · 22-10-2021 10:58pm

I remember being young and making a show on a Saturday night....the company line was always "I must of been spiked".

22-10-2021 11:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060538#Comment_118060538

I remember it too but there weren't needle marks.

23-10-2021 7:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060335#Comment_118060335

I would hope my daughters wouldn't jump to conclusions without evidence and wouldn't jump to conclusions based on hysteria.. The " pinmarks " show could have been inflicted by anything small and sharp, such as pins in new clothing, insect bites(without reaction), small splinter on a surface etc

Seriously a night out, blacking out, mysterious injuries sustained.. We have all been there.

23-10-2021 8:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060538#Comment_118060538

Or Twas a bad pint!

NIMAN · 23-10-2021 8:26am

Seems to be a lot of coverage locally in Derry of 'spiking' going on.

I always wondered practically how easy or difficult it actually is to do? Is it a tablet or a liquid added to drinks? If its a tablet, surely it would need time to dissolve and might be spotted?

I too think the vast majority of people claiming their drink was spiked just drank too much/too some drug that didn't agree with them, and are looking for an excuse to cover themselves.

Spiking by injection is a completely new thing to me, never heard that one before. If that is proven to be happening, then it definitely is a sinister turn. You'd need to be a determined kinda weirdo to go out on the town carrying a syringe filled with whatever, and be prepared to take the risk of trying to inject someone with it, hoping its not noticed.

23-10-2021 8:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061194#Comment_118061194

Twas' a bad keg more likely

Nozebleed · 23-10-2021 8:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058214238/spiking

there seems to be a major media campaign against the re'opening of nightclubs...these are articles appearing in the media at this time are no coincidence. people need to open their eyes at this stage. its not paranoia. its blatant fear mongering...to stop the youth going to clubs and spreading the covid virus.

23-10-2021 8:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061259#Comment_118061259

No we have had this hysteria in non covid times too

23-10-2021 10:48am

Or the pinmarks could be pinmarks. Bit of a coincidence to have a pinmark and to be blacked out.

Why the insistence on it not being possible?

One of the doubters said "Just because it happens doesn’t mean you don’t get tools making it up as an excuse or for attention" - even acknowledging it happens.

23-10-2021 12:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061642#Comment_118061642

Agree. Definately possible. But highly inprobable. . Pinprick with tiny needle into skin a highly inefficient way to introduce sedatives. Ricin yes. Other things no

Esel · 23-10-2021 9:09pm

People pre-spike at home these days...

fits · 23-10-2021 9:14pm

Spiking with alcohol is very plausible and just as serious imo.

Donald Trump · 23-10-2021 9:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118060487#Comment_118060487

Perhaps the perpetrators thought you weren't worth the "investment".

I know a girl who ended up in hospital having her stomach pumped when she was a teenager. She never drank (still doesn't) due to a medical condition so when she started swaying her friends immediately knew something was up.

Quantum Erasure · 24-10-2021 3:17am

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-58994755

Prof Measham says spiking might be happening more at this time of year because universities are in their first few weeks of term - when many people who turned 18 over lockdown are going out for the first time.

Police are also concerned over drink spiking at house parties.

"We're not sure about the scale of spiking but it's important to listen to the anxieties, the anger and to be thinking more generally how we can improve safety,"

Quantum Erasure · 24-10-2021 4:06am

i dunno, what 'level of care' is absolutely necessary. if you're going to the rounds of spiking someone would you be that worried?

I was looking it up because i thought a dose of GHB or whatever would be like a shot glass full, a proper mouthful, but its only like 1 or 2 ml, I doubt it's anywhere near as widespread as is made out, but even one incident will spread panic

Oranage2 · 24-10-2021 6:00am

I do believe spiking happens but I do believe a lot of people lose control and blame they've been spiked. In a nightclub it's gonna be nearly impossible to bring a spiked girl home or somewhere to rape her, she'll be falling all over the place and probably vomiting everywhere. I can bet there are people outthere doing it but such a high risk to reward thing to do.

Donald Trump · 24-10-2021 10:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065036#Comment_118065036

Do you think it would be impossible for a fella to be scummy and target and bring home a girl who is just out of it on a dozen vodkas?

If that is possible, then why not possible for the same fella to bring home a girl out of it on 2 vodkas plus a little extra she didn't even know she was drinking?

As for risk-to-reward....where is the big risk for the fella who administers it from his scummer point of view? That he doesn't get her out the door and his "investment" is wasted? It's probably far cheaper to slip her something than to buy her drinks for the night and plenty of fellas will buy drinks for the night.... He likely won't be caught in the act of putting it into her drink. If he gets her home and does what he wants to her, sure he knows plenty of people, as evidenced on here, will just blame the girl for drinking too much

24-10-2021 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065370#Comment_118065370

The spiking of drinks does occur but is vanishingly rare. Several other posters have alluded to the medical evidence, that people who gwt brought to ED who claim to have been spiked are only very drunk

24-10-2021 10:50am

I have seen somebody who took pills, passed out, took 2 hours to wake up and when her parents came was claiming somebody spiked her drink. In effect putting a big target over her friends heads for an angry daddy. Thankfully the daddy was one of the "victim blamers" of this thread

NIMAN · 24-10-2021 10:52am

What exactly would be in these syringes? And where would perpetrators actually buy it?

24-10-2021 10:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065442#Comment_118065442

These syringes are filled with a magic substance that assuages all guilt for stupid drunken f*ckwittery. Puked on friends. I was spiked. Bad sex with somebody i am embarrased about.. spiking. I bet we are going to see this used when appealing for reduced sentences in the district court next. Sorry judge, i opened up his face with a pint glass because my drink was spiked

Donald Trump · 24-10-2021 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065453#Comment_118065453

I suppose that opinions are subjective based on experience. If your own peers are up to that all the time, then that is what you'll assume. For others who don't behave like that, when one of their group acts out of character and suddenly get paralytic, she would be more likely to believed

political analyst · 24-10-2021 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061642#Comment_118061642

Because you'd go "Ouch!" if someone stuck a needle into you.

Spiking.

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