Spiking.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080974#Comment_118080974

Is there a link to the Garda press office statement? Gript haven't included it, rather they have editorialised and presented snippets.

The source of any news should always at least be considered. That's not a sleight against you btw. Rather a nod to balance and sourcing.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080974#Comment_118080974

The simple fact is that Grift reported that Garda Press Office weren't aware of any recorded crime 24 hours later. That's the only fact you can rely on. Anything else is an assumption on your part.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118080996#Comment_118080996

Mad how no other media have reported on it. You'd think such a public interest story would be front page news. But, no, no, you are right. It's probably just Gript lying, and the other newspapers don't wanna be done for libel. That's the one.

Faugheen

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-investigate-needle-spiking-case-25312277

Oh look, Gardai have received a report and they're now investigating it.

Complete with full quotes and all from the statement.

"A spokesperson told the Irish Mirror; “The nature of the incident is that the female became disorientated whilst socialising in licensed premises and discovered the following morning physical bruising possibly caused by a needle prick.

“The injured party, in this case, was supported by friends and brought home safely on the night and subsequently received medical treatment.”"

But Grift says there was no reports? Makes you wonder what question they put to Gardai.

Assume people who believed the bullshit from that anti-women piss site will back track now.

Or they'll just deflect with 'lol the Mirror' posts.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081547#Comment_118081547

It's not just that they believed Grift, they worked really, really hard to make sure the Grift line was put out there as the only possible explanation, and worked really, really hard to undermine anyone who suggested that there might be another possible explanation.

CaitCat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079952#Comment_118079952

Well I wasn't really in a state to speak when I got home let alone report the incident to police. I wasn't aware I had been spiked until I put it all together after speaking to people I had seen that evening. All the memories about the incident are fuzzy and like I watched it on a film. I questioned my memory of things, what bus did I take home, what time did I leave the club... no idea.

It happened to me so there's no 'should' about it - utter victim blaming. Love it how people try to make ME feel bad when I was the victim here. The same would have been said by police - should have come earlier, should have gone to police.

Easy for people to say you 'should' do something, but unless it happened to you then you can't understand.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081834#Comment_118081834

Wind your neck in. There's no victim blaming going on, but your race to assume that mantle says quite a bit.

You made a claim regarding being spiked. I take that at your word. I'm not asking you to back it up nor even attempting to refute it.

What I am saying is that your assertion you didn't report it because no serious crime had been commited is wrong. Demonstrably so, and I provided a range of offences of up to 10yrs tariff that such an attack could attract.

Your claim that because you made it home, that no serious crime occured is wrong.

Your response to any attack, spiking or unwelcome attention is entirely your own.

But? Claiming victimhood, sharing a story that thankfully ended without any further infringement on your person, as evidence of widespread spiking? When unfortunately other than your recollection? No matter how well founded. Is not evidence of drug based spiking.

Without reporting same or even the suspicion of it and post exposure medical attention. Claims of drug based assault being widespread and pervasive? Are all too easily dismissed by the wealth of contrary academic and medical reports claiming that assaults of the type are vanishingly rare.

If the stories of widespread spiking are ever to be appropriately actioned? Timely reporting is a must. Indeed it's the advice offered by the Gardaí in the article Faugheen has posted above.

To report an incident of being spiked you can:

contact your local Garda station in person or by telephone

call to the Garda station in person accompanied by someone

According to HSE advice, if you think you have been spiked on a night out or in any other circumstance, you should:

get help from someone you trust, as you cannot be sure how your body will react to an unknown substance

keep hold of the spiked drink if there is any left, it might be used as evidence, so you should give it to someone you trust until it can be given to the Gardaí

ask a friend to take you to the Emergency Department if you have symptoms such as; drowsiness, vomiting, or hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are not there)

tell the medical staff that you think your drink has been spiked

If you think that your drink has been spiked but you have no severe symptoms, contact the Gardaí. Reporting the incident as soon as possible will help to catch the offender

If the prevalence of this type of offending or the existence of needle based spiking are to be treated as anything more than moral panic? They need be reported, investigated and pursued to conviction.

Otherwise? Stories of random spiking and the potential of every drink being a gateway to assault or worse will carry on being a modern day boogey man.

Without reporting? Without the weight of proof? As harsh and as difficult it may be to hear? Carrying on with an attitude of #ibelieveher or #metoo won't do anything to address any actual issue other than grow a self reinforcing notion of belief in attacks, rather than evidence of them.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081547#Comment_118081547

Can’t be the same girl. Girl on Twitter claimed she was injected, felt woosy and then unconscious. The girl in the paper went home and noticed bruising the next morning.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081972#Comment_118081972

I can’t remember what she said exactly, but what she did say is that she reported it to the guards after getting treatment.

Why are you continuing to discredit her? You were the one who pushed the Grift narrative yesterday and now you haven’t even acknowledged that they are wrong and haven’t corrected their story.

A report was made, you said there wasn’t. You now have information which says otherwise and your line of defense is ‘well it wasn’t her’.

Change the record.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081972#Comment_118081972

No surprise there.

banie01

In addition to Faugheen's report from the mirror. Not the same story, or even country but a report of a spiking related tape from the UK.

That is unfortunately buried under the news of the UK budget, Harry and Meghan and **** flowing freely into rivers.

I added a link to the MEN as I am loath to use the Daily Mail for anything resembling fact.

Point in case, the Daily Mail reports that the accused is charged with

'following a woman around a nightclub and spiking her drink before raping her in the street'

But the charge laid is rape of woman over the age of 16. He may have slipped an intoxicant to victim, from the stories it certainly is heavily alluded to. Was it a narcotic or was he adding alcohol?🤷‍♂️ I don't know.

The circumstances certainly point to the victim being rapidly overcome with loss of control which he allegedly took full advantage of.

Yet the charge lain, excludes any of the OAP 1861 charges available? Incidents such as this, highlight for me at least the need to impose a duty of care on venues regarding customer safety and their ejection if intoxicated. A woman, a man, anyone should never be left leave a venue alone if there is a concern as to their safety. Cut off drinkers if they are too intoxicated and ensure that door staff are better trained to recognise the risks that led to this poor woman's attack.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10136421/Man-29-charged-following-woman-club-spiking-raping-street.html

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-charged-rape-after-woman-21980372

**Edited:** changed "of" to "have" to tidy up a sentence and not appear to be totally illiterate 😉😂

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082023#Comment_118082023

Tbh I had the same thought as the poster. This is not what what had been claimed in the Twitter trail, but maybe that's the reason why she (had to) remove it since it might be impacting the investigation.

I do not care whether or not she was spiked. What bothers me is that someone decides to broadcast something via social media without any evidence, and that anyone who asks for evidence is shot down and branded a chauvinist.

This sort of antagonism does not help anyone.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082278#Comment_118082278

What evidence do you want? Her medical records?

Her medical records are none of your business.

She has told a story, which is backed up by a Garda investigation into a report she made with evidence that she has clearly been stabbed by a needle. Why would she say anything so public other than to warn people about it.

She provided a lot more evidence than those trying to shut her down by demanding her medical records and that she name the place it happened in.

And don't tell me nobody was trying to shut her down. They were. It's standard Twitter (and boards) discourse if a woman tries to say anything because some men's feelings might get hurt.

Just look at some of the responses to Cait's post about her experience. "Why didn't you go to police?" "You should have gone to police." etc etc etc.

Some people need to get their heads out of the sand.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081547#Comment_118081547

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081547#Comment_118081547

Was the report from the weekend?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082434#Comment_118082434

Don't see it in that article but 98FM are reporting that it is from Sunday.

https://www.98fm.com/news/gardai-investigate-reports-of-woman-being-spiked-on-a-night-out-1269752

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082452#Comment_118082452

Fair enough. Be interesting to know when the incident was first reported, as both articles are from today and the gript one from yesterday. I'm glad she had the courage to report it anyhow.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082426#Comment_118082426

Well, no. At this stage nothing is backed up by anything. You have a deleted Twitter thread, two conflicting “news” sources of questionable character, and a lot of speculation. Nothing is linked up. Which is exactly the problem for this topic, because it’s always one word against the other.

Look, I have done countless unsavoury things over the years, and I am certainly not going to dismiss that this happens. But I find it really annoying when people make claims online that contain partial information, and thereby cause people to fill in the gaps and turn it into a hysteria. Post the whole story or don’t post at all.

And please don’t try to turn this into a gender debate, as some male posters on this thread mentioned that they were spiked, too. Their views are obviously of equal importance.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082480#Comment_118082480

Strange way to spell: "Sorry lads, I got it completely wrong. I take back all those nasty things I said about yez. "

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082777#Comment_118082777

Everything is linked up.

I gave you two sources covering the same story that a report was filed about a woman who reported that she was spiked after waking up with a needle mark and bruising after a night out and then going to get medical treatment. There is every chance she doesn't remember everything of the night but her friends do and thus gave statements about her being disorientated, which is implied in the statement from Gardai.

Here is a THIRD source.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-investigate-claim-woman-spiked-in-nightclub-with-needle-1.4712181?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

This one mentions the conflicting statements Gardai gave yesterday and today, which shows @AndrewJRenko was correct in that the Garda press office doesn't always have the information to hand straight away.

All of this ties up with what she said on Twitter, but people here are STILL looking for any possible hole in her story in an attempt to discredit her.

Yes many men have been spiked, but I haven't seen attempts to discredit them anywhere near like what's going on here. That's the problem.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083087#Comment_118083087

This is actually a good article that does tie up a few things, so thank you.

It states that the claim is being investigated (which is good), that it had been previously confirmed that no report had been made (validating the grift article), and that the event was “now” being looked at. Doesn’t that just tell anyone how unreliable news and social medial coverage/ posting really is?

I insist: trying to turn this into a gender war helps nobody and just causes endless aggravation.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083087#Comment_118083087

She said on Twitter when asked by another girl did she notice anything strange, "no straight unconscious". The girl on Twitter's story doesn't tally with the news stories whatsoever.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082986#Comment_118082986

What nasty things did I say about anyone? You attacked the Gardai and Gript. This incident happened on Sunday so may not have been reported till Tuesday, meaning neither Gript nor the Gardia lied/didn't do their job. So no apologies needed.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083087#Comment_118083087

'Garda headquarters initially said on Tuesday it “is not in a position to verify the contents of the highlighted social media activity at this time” and that it “has not recorded any incidents of this nature at this time”'.

Thus, Andrew was wrong in suggesting that Gript lied. Secondly, we don't know when the incident was reported to Gardai. It may not have been reported at the time the Gardai were initially contacted.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083964#Comment_118083964

Andrew said the Garda press office don’t always have the information to hand immediately, which is the case here.

He also said Grift are not a trusted source, which they are not. He was clearly right to be skeptical.

Have they put up an update yet correcting the facts of the case now that they are aware of them? They were happy to push it far and wide when the narrative suited their hateful and fearmongering agenda. A quick look at their website says no, they haven’t. Why is that, do you think?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083821#Comment_118083821

You do realise you can completely blackout from this, yes?

You’re clutching at every straw possible, here. Give it a rest. It’s not a good look trying to find every reason to discredit her when other people in this thread who were doing the same thing have held their hands up and admitted the reports add up.

She could show you her medical records and you’d still look for a straw to clutch. Sad.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084566#Comment_118084566

We don't know when the report was made, so you cannot assert what you have about the GPO. Gript having a hateful and fearmongering agenda; that is your opinion, stated as fact. Many would disagree. It is very common now for people to attempt to lazily discredit any media with a political slant that is not towards the way they lean.

Lastly, I'm not sure. You should email them and ask if you would like to know.

Quantum Erasure

Lastly, I'm not sure. You should email them and ask if you would like to know.

make sure to check you have the right address though, you'd want to double check the spelling

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118085052#Comment_118085052

My favourite part of this post is that you think you’re being really clever here but you fail to realise that me calling it ‘Grift’ is very much intentional, because it’s the perfect description of that sh*stain of a website.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084610#Comment_118084610

I do "realise this".

However newspaper girl stated that she didn't feel herself, her friends brought her home, she went to bed, and woke up the next morning with a bruise that looked like a needle mark. No mention of blackout, not mention of falling unconscious, 100% mention of feeling woozy and "not herself".

Twitter girl was asked if she felt woozy/unwell and replied "no, straight unsconscious". Would a group of girls dressed up for a night out have the strength to carry the dead weight of another girl home and put her to bed? She also stated that the hospital had told her they had found "multiple drugs" in her system. How come this hasn't been reported? The report only stated that the bruise was "similar" to a needle bruise.

The story stinks to high heaven.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086198#Comment_118086198

It really doesn’t.

You say you realise you can black out. Her memory was that she was unconscious. This doesn’t mean she is lying. That’s her memory of it. Gardai would have got statements from her and her friends. Are you, the big expert in human behaviour post-spiking, going to tell us now that she should be capable of remembering everything?

Gardai don’t have the right to disclose anybody’s medical records. Again you seem to think you have this divine right because you want to look for any possibility to discredit someone from coming forward.

You were happy to believe a story that fit your narrative on this, and now there’s one out there that completely contradicts it and it ‘stinks to high heaven’.

There is no point continuing this conversation with you. As pointed out, others who were trying to discredit her have been happy to row back as more details of a Garda investigation emerge whereas you, who literally knows ****-all about the case, is trying to spread a narrative that is so easily debunked.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086198#Comment_118086198

I read the same statements in the Twitter trail as you.

Looks like she removed the tweets because they contradicted the official reports. Sad really

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086198#Comment_118086198

Might be time to stop digging

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086420#Comment_118086420

The truth always comes out. I look forward to the, begrudging, "you were right, but that doesn't mean every accusation is false" replies when it does come out.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118088932#Comment_118088932

The truth HAS come out, but keep on digging there.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118089506#Comment_118089506

That was a quick court case! They haven't even confirmed if she was jabbed with a needle yet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Here are some clues: "currently investigating", "alleged assault", "possibly caused by a needle"

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118089832#Comment_118089832

Funny you say this when you declared she is lying when there has been no court case for that either.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118089840#Comment_118089840

She told two stories. One contradicted the other. Therefore, logically, she is lying in one of them. It's fairly basic.

Story 1: In an unnamed establishment, jabbed, no wooziness, straight unconscious.

Story 2: In an unnamed establishment, jabbed, wooziness, went home, woke up with a bruise consistent with getting a needle.

Spot the difference.

SnazzyPig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082023#Comment_118082023

The Gript report is from Tuesday.

The Irish Times quote the same response from The Gardai regarding reports of spiking instances.

Is the Irish Times also wrong?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118089905#Comment_118089905

She didn’t tell two stories.

The second one was told by Gardai, who would have gathered statements from her and her friends who helped her go home (which you conveniently left out). Why are you saying she told the second story when those remarks came from Gardai?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118089938#Comment_118089938

And new information has come to light and Gript has yet to correct the record.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090034#Comment_118090034

The official story via gardai contradicted her Twitter account of events. It is hardly surprising that people are suspicious of her story.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090034#Comment_118090034

She is on Twitter telling the second story, or at least was at about 9:30pm last night, she has a history of deleting when new details come to light which contradict her. That is why i am saying she told the second story, because she told it. Is that ok with you Faugheen?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090159#Comment_118090159

How did it contradict her story?

The two of them add up perfectly to me. It’s only in the minds of those who are clutching at straws and who are desperate for this girl to be lying that they are finding this information ‘that she left out’.

How can she leave out information that she isn’t aware of?

I was bottled when I was 19 outside a pub in Cork. I don’t remember being bottled, but I had the cuts and lacerations on the back of my head. My last memory was walking down the road and the next thing I know I’m in hospital.

Gardai told me I got up and walked a few more metres before collapsing again, and that I was helped my people who were nearby. Brought into an ambulance where I responded to paramedics questions. I have no recollection of any of this. I was ‘immediately unconscious’. The reason why Gardai were able to tell me a slightly different story to the one I was able to give them was thanks to witness statements and paramedic statements.

Scumbag was never caught, so it didn’t go to court.

MarkEadie

Some people/men are just always going to think its a case of women getting too drunk/high and then blaming being spiked as a way to not take responsibility. If you think like that then you have a bad opinion on women. If you can't take a womans word that she was spiked, and im sure she would be the one to know, then you're not taking women seriously in general, which is a pretty bad attitude.

Jequ0n

@MarkEadie and @Faugheen

I don’t know…in her Twitter version she claimed to be straight unconscious. In the news reports that detail the investigation into the alleged spiking case it describes how she felt unwell, was escorted home and went to the hospital the next morning. Are you seriously telling me that those two versions line up?

It is ludicrous to turn this into a man vs women debate. Even the newspapers call it “an alleged spiking case”, because this is all it is for now. That’s not discrediting the alleged victim, but standard until the allegations have been confirmed.

SnazzyPig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090039#Comment_118090039

Have the Gardai said that a report of spiking was made before their statement on Tuesday?

If not there is nothing to correct.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090390#Comment_118090390

Yes there is. Because the Garda Press Office have since said they have received a report, whereas Grift are still reporting that there has been no reports.

Its responsible for a media outlet to correct the facts as they change. Grift haven’t done this.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090346#Comment_118090346

I literally responded to this with an experience of my own and how both stories can line up. I don’t recall some elements of my own story, but Gardai can because of the statements of others that plug in the gaps.

What on Earth is the point anymore? You aren’t discussing in good faith.

I’m out.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090425#Comment_118090425

Your comparison didn’t make sense, but if you can’t see that then you cannot be helped.

SnazzyPig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118090414#Comment_118090414

If the Gardai have changed their story then Grift should update that fact.

As in -

'We DID recieve a complaint of spiking but HQ was unaware of it as of Tuesday'

Have they changed their story?