Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

It bears repeating - whether or not you choose to take a 1st, 2nd or 3rd Vaccination is a matter for you and you alone. You can take each and every vaccine you wish.

It is not a case of anyone refusing/declining/not taking up the offer of 1st, 2nd or 3rd vaccinations. You choose to be vaccinated, or remain pure as God her/himself made you. Same principle as drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco or taking non medical pharmaceuticals. You wouldn't introduce yourself as "a non drinker", "non smoker", or "non drug taker".

Might put an end to the obnoxious, ignorant, misinformed comments about those who didn't choose to take a vaccine, going into supermarkets spreading / driving infection, or taking "our" beds in ICU.

Boosters will be a much harder sell for the under 60s. Firstly, they contain a whole lot more healthy people and secondly we still don't know how long protection from the first set of vaccines will last or if SARS-COV-2 will continue to affect people badly. If it does become a predominantly mild disease and people just stay at home and let it pass it will make convincing people to take a booster a lot more difficult.

How stupid. What kind of " a sufficient effect on the profile of Covid-19 " do they expect from easing restrictions heading into Winter, a positive one ?

So everyone in the pub who is vaccinated, and has a cert to prove it, must stay sitting down in their designated seats with no mingling and must be mask wearing at all times unless seated. This is until end of the year/February.....when everyone in the pub will still be fully vaccinated and still have a cert to prove it. I'm struggling to understand the end game here, what will be different next January or February? Hospitals will be under serious pressure (like they are every winter), people in the pubs will still be vaccinated? It's all a bit bonkers.

By my reckoning around 3 in ICU which would still mean possibly 47 less in ICU, and with 1/3 of those in Covid hospital beds unvaccinated, around 150 less than present.

HSE shambles yet again.

But only the vaccinated will be in there due to the need for covid certs so the unvaccinated can't be blamed for these superspeader events. What is the actual end game here? If vaccinated people can't now gather anywhere without people freaking out over superspeader events then we're goosed altogether and there will never be an end to this even if we had 100% vaccinated in the morning.

Only home from work and haven't heard anything about the re-opening until 15 minutes ago, very confusing and I've a lot of questions.

1. Are pub opening hours back to normal or does everywhere have to close at 11.30pm still? Has anyone a link to where they have read about this?
2. Will pubs, restaurants, indoor concerts still have capacity restrictions?
3. Do late bars fall into the pub or nightclub category?

Hmmm! But they won't get any blowback for claiming that!

you've been lied to from the start.

flatten the curve , vaccine the vulnerable , vaccinate everybody

that has been done.

common sense would tell you at some stage we will need to face up to covid and live with it. but these decisions aren't common sense.

the truth is NPHET and the cabinet have no idea how to proceed and never had but led by the most dithering donkey of a Taoiseach ever - we have fallen into a cycle of indecision and pussyfooting about. Next Spring is 2 years of this . That's insane.

Its' clear the vaccines aren't great and NPHET don't have that much confidence in them.

The vaccine was the solution so what is with the delay in moving on.

For NPHET to be blaming the unvaxx'd is pure distraction , when the reality is everybody who is vulnerable and willing is vaxx'd .

so who is left? the unwilling and the young .

none of whom number greatly in a population terms and who aren't at that much of a risk

shambles.

No , they don't. Another utter lie, as demonstrated by the post just above yours.

So nightclubs will reopen with mingling but pubs are table service only? And in both cases only vaccinated people inside? Unbelievable

In all fairness that was what the Government and NHPET were pushing last week on the airwaves and their agenda has worked because various groups and associations have picked up on it. Their deflection from their combined incompetence has worked a treat

Someone gave an example of smokers earlier on in the thread. Those who are currently unvaccinated and can be vaccinated would be similar in attitude and many are probably very firm in their views so no amount of abuse is going to shift them. As some less reactionary heads have suggested it's a question of trying to figure out why people have such positions and to see if some can be persuaded to change their minds. There are no guarantees they will but that is all you can do. 

Irish solution to an Irish problem stuff.

Conservatives being dragged kicking and screaming to this point.