Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

xl500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118043967#Comment_118043967

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044217#Comment_118044217

The Numbers prove it when people were observing rules numbers went down but im not going to try to argue with someone who just wants to ignore the facts the numbers before last Christmas were very low Then we relaxed and pubs ignored all the rules we subsequently went into one of the longest and strictest Lockdowns in Europe thats a fact I lived through it

There is no evidence the current rules are stopping the spread mainly because they are being ignored but if they are not stopping the spread then stricter rules will be required because again the health system will be overwhelmed

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044176#Comment_118044176

Not only are there wheels on those goalposts, but the tyres have now worn out because they have moved that much.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044256#Comment_118044256

A real life example of "Beatings will continue until morale improves", thats just amazing.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044304#Comment_118044304

And half of Ireland's total Covid deaths happened in the 3 months after pubs opened.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044256#Comment_118044256

How confident are you that the numbers in January were solely down to the Christmas opening as opposed to, say, the arrival of B.1.1.7?

US2

That 90s dance music event in the 3 arena this weekend is now a massive game of musical chairs haha absolute madness

xl500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044304#Comment_118044304

No The Health System will collapse if the numbers go too high its that simple And thats now showing up our incompetent Political System that caters to all the vested interests etc maybe you could tell us how we will handle the numbers with the current health system thats why we are different to the rest of Europe they run their Country for the Good of the People not for the good of a few comparing us to Sweden or Norway etc is futile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118042767#Comment_118042767

Real psychologists would have a field day here

And you would be the man, wearing a suit and tie, who greets them and shows them around. Only after do they realise you are the most deluded inmate in the entire asylum.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044256#Comment_118044256

What stricter rules would you like.ankle brackets on everyone to see if they leave there 5 km.maybe we should get the army out and weld the doors on every house shut for 2 weeks to flatten the curve.oh wait we have tried flattening the curve but that so last yr.

at this stage and I’m pro vaccines and am jabbed but it looks like them great vaccines are a pile of ****

Parachutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044452#Comment_118044452

Don’t be giving them ideas!!

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044356#Comment_118044356

Well this is progress at least. There was a time here if you argued had we a better healthcare system with more capacity then we wouldn’t need such strict restrictions to protect it, you would be labelled a sociopath and told the sole goal was reducing serious illness and death for individuals. That our decision makers were looking out for the health of each and every one of us individually.

At least it’s clear now that the majority of the restrictions are/were in place to prevent hospital capacity reaching critical levels, and not too many s**ts are given for the sick and dying at a personal level. Stay home, wash your hands, distance yourself and save lives is quite different to Stay home, wash your hands, distance yourself to save our pathetic healthcare system.

And laying that at the door of the unvaccinated is just buying into the narrative.

Pawinho

Do not compare Ireland to Denmark, Sweden, Norway or UK....they have them own currencies and will do it whatever they want (count new cases, testing or doing restriction)to tackle pandemic.

Derkaiser93

We have only been able to ease restricitons and open up nearly all of society now thanks to vaccination and those who have been vaccinated in large numbers. In absolutely no thanks to the unvaccinated. What's all the crying about and defending the unvaccinated? If you don't pay taxes you don't avail of the benefits and protections of a state. So why would the unvaxxed expect to participate in society during a pandemic when they've refused to be apart of the solution?

Ferris_Bueller

I wonder when will we get word what can/can't officially go ahead. Lots of gigs, pubs, nightclubs planning events this weekend and not much turnaround time. It's ridiculous that there hasn't been more clarity.

US2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044551#Comment_118044551

Done nothing besides not go to work for 8 months, not see my family or friends, not send my kids to school, not travel within 5kms of my house, not play sports, not eat or drink out, cancel holidays, yep I've done nothing to help.

You do know people who don't pay tax here get over 200 euros a week, fuel allowance to heat the free house ?

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044452#Comment_118044452

Unfortunately the vaccine has an efficacy of zero against the real disease in this country, incompetence. Maybe we should ask Pfizer if they can work on a vaccine for spinelessness which seems to have infected the highest levels of government and the health system.

Rebelbrowser

For every sensible post (critical or otherwise of current policies - and plenty scope for both, especially today) there are 5 polemics from posters incapable of even seeing what the alternative viewpoint is. Makes it very hard to stick with this thread tbh.

Rebelbrowser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044580#Comment_118044580

Completely agree. Can't see how they didn't iron all of this out yesterday at latest. Thinking out loud is never a good look.

Beechwoodspark

The figures confirmed this evening are frightening.

Highest since last Jan.

and this is BEFORE we open up nightclubs

I suspect that they “allowed” clubs to reopen Friday for political reasons.

“ah sure we tried...”

I would hope that sense prevails next week and clubs/gigs restricted

i struggle to think of a worse covid transmission space than Irish nightclubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118043793#Comment_118043793

Heading over in a couple weeks, do you need a pcr test coming in?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044551#Comment_118044551

For myself, its because blaming the unvaccinated for the current status doesn't make full logical sense.

I'm vaccinated, I believe vaccines work and help the situation. I think people should just get them.

But we are well past the levels needed for herd immunity, we have 92%+ vaccinated and a lot of the remaining 8% are people who had the virus already or who had at least one dose. It includes pregnant women and a lot of vulnerable people who won't be mixing much in society anyway. And it includes a lot of perfectly healthy people that frankly aren't at risk from the virus.

Look past the headlines and it becomes pretty clear that the unvaccinated minority are not really the problem and as such targeting them can't be the solution. And that means they are being used as a scapegoat for more insidious reasons.

And that doesn't sit well with me.

SupplyandDemandZone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044641#Comment_118044641

Nothing frightening about it at all tbh

Dickie10

some people are easy frightened........

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044685#Comment_118044685

I would tend to agree with this. Once you get over a certain percentage vaccinated, the small number of remaining unvaccinated don't make much difference one way or the other. You could imagine an extreme example where everyone in the country is vaccinated except one person. There would still be some virus going around but that would be because the virus is not 100% effective at stopping transmission. Getting that final person vaccinated would not make any significant difference one way or the other.

crossman47

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118043793#Comment_118043793

A different universe indeed. 223 Covid deaths today! Theres a price to pay.

xl500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044345#Comment_118044345

Very Confident because when we brought in restrictions after christmas numbers went down immediatly so opening hospitality definitly caused the increase at Christmas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044551#Comment_118044551

The unvaccinated aren't the people in charge of a 20+ BILLION healthcare budget and have done absolutely nothing to increase hospital capacity or icu in what will be nearly 2 years.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044731#Comment_118044731

Exactly.

I'm am no friend to anti-vaxxers, a genuine anti-vaxxer is a moron, no question.

But the rhetoric this past few days is that they are the reason we are restricted and that is bullshit. Maybe they deserve 5% of the blame, but they are getting 95% of it.

Vaccinate every anti vaxxer tomorrow and you know what will happen next? Cases will rise as we head into Christmas, thats what.

Hounding anti vaxxers as a scapegoat is just taking the attention away from the real problems in this country.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118044641#Comment_118044641

But everybody will in there will be vaccinated.

Or is the penny starting to drop for some people.

Dempo1

Kind of an odd day when all said and done,

No one actually happy.

Government, begrudgingly moving forward with a Yeah but no but yeah approach, utterly clueless in every respect.

Night time economy sector completely bamboozled, confused and awaiting more info and not happy.

Publican, Hospitality representatives un happy, but that's not something new or surprising.

HSE top brass ( with necks of brass) in Panic mode very unhappily concerned.

Nursing, frontline staff exasperated and exhausted, clearly going to be unhappy.

Those in favor, unhappy at any measures remaining

Those against, perplexed & confused ultimately unhappy.

Public service Unions Furious (always) and typically unhappy.

Teaching Unions about to predictably unhappy.

Opposition politicians, like Rabbits frozen looking into bright headlights, want to be unhappy, but as confused as the rest of us.

Very odd , very bizzare, very unhappy world we live in.