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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Mr rebel


    Just booked another weekend to Berlin for early December. Bring on the bar service and old fashioned mingling with people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,976 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I am going to 'The Stunning' and has already been resheduled 5 times! I thought this would be it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭coffeelover


    Nice! Anyone know what restrictions are in place in Paris? Need to get away from this ****!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The devil's in the detail here.

    Because there aren't just 11 ICU beds available in the whole country. As of last night there were 13 ICU beds staffed and open. That is, ready and waiting to take a patient.

    This is not abnormal, ICU beds tend to operate on a logistical basis. After all, if we had 100 ICU beds sitting open and staffed but unused, there'd be widespread wailing about wastage.

    If you go back and review the HSE dashboard from previous surges, you can see the full picture. The baseline capacity in ICU is about 300 beds. As of last night, about 8 of them were closed for whatever reason, and there were 13 sitting unused.

    So the number of available beds is about 21. And that's just the "right now" capacity. There is surge capacity available that can provide another ~70 ICU beds within a couple of hours.

    Yes, there are 74 covid patients in beds that can't now be used for other things, but at this time of the year there's a good chance they'd be mostly 'flu or other respiratory disease patients anyway. There is no 'flu at the moment.

    The hospitals are not bursting at the seams any more than they would typically be. "Precarious" may be an appropriate term, but we're a very long way from "struggling to cope".

    NPHET are advising caution on the basis that we will consume that surge capacity in the next ~6 weeks, but ICU numbers basically haven't changed at all in the last ten days. They'd nearly want to be praying for that to change or they're going to look ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Quick question?

    So im best man at a wedding this Friday?

    Wedding numbers are fine, not an issue there, all grand.

    Seating? Is it now possible to seat 10 at a table, giving the groom a bit of help on this so would be good to know.

    Extension? I presume normal wedding hours, closing hours etc are am i wrong or is there some ridiculous rule now that everyone stays seated until 12.30 and then you can remove the tables?

    Bar open or service at tables?

    Live music, dancing etc: Permitted? (actually cant believe 20 months into this and 93% of people vaccinated can people dance at a wedding is actually a question)

    Honestly the longer this whole thing ahs dragged on the more ridiculous its got!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,759 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    My local Super Valu has them now, 5.99 for a single test. Also have seen them in large Applegreens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    A local wedding here 2 weeks ago has resulted in 32 positive cases so far. So not as ridiculous as some will claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭dubdamo


    Yeah, have tickets for standing for that gig as well, nothing on the Olympia website, or ticketmaster as to whether its cancelled, i presume it is.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    GBS and Myocarditis have a long association with vaccines and the viruses that the vaccines protect against. Except that the rates are always higher in those who had the virus. These conditions are caused by extreme immune reaction. The clots were not associated with the mRNA vaccines.

    On ADE is actually a consequence of repeat infection not the vaccine itself.With Dengue fever a second infection is usually the more serious one which means it is no surprise that this also occurs after vaccination. The outcome in the Philippines was entirely predictable and indeed was predicted from the outcome of the trials. The stipulation on previous infection should have been included in rollout in the Philippines, and would have been included had the vaccine sought EU and / or US authorisation at that point, because thats what the trial data showed

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/12/sanofi-restricts-dengue-vaccine-downplays-antibody-enhancement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭showpony1


    For those asking questions about the nightclubs they basically laughed and said "of course you will be able to dance in a nightclub" but gave no other details about obviously the face there won't be bar service there and said specific info will follow.

    I assume this means the full capacity standing concerts that are scheduled this weekend are now off.

    I see many saying they don't mind table service forever in pubs - i don't mind the act of actually being served rather than getting my pint at the bar, it's more the spontaneous pint going in somewhere for a match or something in town and sitting where I want rather than this big song and dance of you going in and then putting you at some 6 seater table like an eejit instead of the bar counter etc. My brother tried to go into a live music bar last weekend with just 2 of them and they were refused as they didn't want to waste a 4 seater table on them and said come back if they've 4.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Amateur Psychologists out in force.

    Real psychologists would have a field day here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Do wedding guests have to have a Covid cert?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,260 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Saw someone say gigs that were announced will be permitted to have standing areas but not sure how true that is

    Wouldn't be so bad if that's the case. Looking at going to that feile classical Thursday week in the 3Arena which is all seater but have a few concerts which are standing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    My point is there is a large cohort of people that are liking restrictions, and don't want them to end...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    Dunno what sort of pubs he's going to. Anywhere I've gone in Germany has been ordering at the bar.

    Including 2 weeks ago. Strict checks on the covid certs, but much less restriction after that.

    Whereas here we're in the nonsensical twilight of requiring covid cert checks and still having ludicrous restrictions after that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    France are more restrictive than here, they have a huge problem getting people vaccinated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭skallywag


    What's your logic?

    Why do you think that a 'large cohort' are 'liking restrictions' and 'don't want them to end' ?

    I mean your own reasoning, and not a copy paste of some nonsense you may have swallowed along the way somewhere on the web, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭showpony1


    I was thinking of that 90s disco thing in 3arena on saturday which i imagine is usual all standing apart from up on the tiers there. They probably have about 10 acts announced for it with flighs/accomodation booked so i'd say they are going mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If as reported they make up 2/3 of those in ICU from just 7% of the adult population, then they are taking up around 50 ICU beds which I believe can be reasonably argued, were they vaccinated, would not be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    When i was in France a month ago i had to show my vaccine cert to eat outside.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Don't hold me to this but I think you need it in France for non-essential retail and barbers etc as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭tiredblondie


    Bar up by me has set up an outdoor venue in their carpark, it looks great to be fair and they have some "paid" events on and the minimum tickets for a pod is 4 so that means i can't just go to a random event with my OH, spur of the moment thing unless we buy 4 tickets!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You could also make the argument that vaccines don't protect 100% from the virus so if those 7% were vaccinated then maybe 5 of the 50 hospital beds would be occupied?

    Conversely then you could also argue that there would be fewer cases if more were vaccinated and therefore fewer vaccinated in our hospitals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    I have yet to meet anyone who is liking restrictions or want them to continue tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,260 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    A lot of people do very much have the right to be angry especially with our gombeens in charge who have made a balls of explaing what's happening



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wonder what do vaccinated people make of still having to wear masks in restaurants when presumably everybody else vaccinated in there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    That isn't happening and won't happen.

    Walk around Dublin and you'll see that outdoor areas get more people than indoor areas months into vax certs.

    If a group of seven people are out together and one of them isn't vaccinated they will all go outside and stay outside.

    Because a normal person won't dump their friends over abstract 'public health' considerations.

    The kind of people genuinely angrily about people not taking vaccines are usually older/married politics bores who don't get out often. They are on politics web sites like this and not in a position to exclude anyone socially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    No more vacc certs in most of Spain thanks to very high vaccination uptake rate of 75%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Just bizarre that we have all this theatre of covid certs and IDs at the door to keep the unwashed of unvaccinated outside but then vaccinated people have to deal with extensive restrictions inside even with other presumably vaccinated people - no mingling, masks on at all times except when seated, table service only, max 10 people together at a group of tables etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭Quags


    Its like the vaccines are not that super duper as predicted



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