Revoking of SACF rifles & New Legislation (thread banned users in first post)

freddieot · 27-09-2021 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942605#Comment_117942605

Quite the reverse. They have someone whose job (or part of their job) it is to check these sites daily and report back on anything that can be used to further their agendas or be used in context (or out of it) to help justify their policies. It's an ideal way to be ready to counter any reasoned argument, approach or move by getting sight of any argument or initiative well in advance of any petition by individuals or organisations.

Just because they don't comment does not mean they are not reading every single word.

Grizzly 45 · 27-09-2021 2:50pm

Long known and noted. All they are getting here if they are still wasting their time and taxpayer money is chatter.No one is discussing strategy or what dirt we have on them on an open forum or what our plans are. For all they know is what we are talking about here could just as easily be a massive spoof organised between us all too?

yubabill · 28-09-2021 1:17pm

Been working on a submission to DoJ and schadefreud lurking here.

only got as far as finding a couple of themes I might work under.

wouldnot be entirely surprised if this ban has been dropped btw.

they would have used the EU firearms directive to do it if they were ever going to imho.

Grizzly 45 · 28-09-2021 1:40pm

They couldn't use the directive for 2 reasons;

All the grownups in Europe realised that it would have cost billions to compensate every owner, and would have tied up the European courts in Brussels with claims for compensation from every member state.Not to mind the EU gun makers building these models.

So EU/UN goody two shoes little Ireland wasn't going to go against what the grownups decided in Brussels. Even though the EU court decided it is a privilege and not a right and therefore not subject to compensation under EU law contrary to EUCHR article 5... [So much for your fundamental rights under the EU dictatorship!]National Govts could still say FU to this directive under national firearms laws. As Italy and the East blockers did.

They [Irish gov]don't need to. There is still Irish legislation in the acts that allows such.But then it becomes a challengeable issue in the courts for compensation. And with the judiciary granting such in 95% licenses of these cases it becomes very messy to try and remove stuff that has been used in 0% of gun crime in the ROI.

NEVER assume a bill is dead until we hear it from officialdom. Not from some Shill on a web chat group, who has offered zero proof of their actions. This makes me believe they are a Govt plant amongst us caused to try and cause dissent.Either that or they are an utter Walter Mitty.

JP22 · 28-09-2021 10:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117942605#Comment_117942605

WRONG.

As freddiot says in his post,

They may not give a hoot about what we think or what we want, but they know everything that’s going on and you can bet your last euro in your pocket, they read every media comment (the good, bad and the ugly) that’s made about them or their policies.

Never ever forget - Information is power.

Feisar · 29-09-2021 9:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117952246#Comment_117952246

Agreed, I'm not exactly Machiavelli but if my competitors were chatting away on an open forum I'd be taking notes.

Grizzly 45 · 29-09-2021 9:36am

Newstalk live now.Firearms discussion,talk about the firearm expert comittee with James Brown td.Only got the tail end of this but there was talk of bringing in psychological testing and this comittee reporting to the minister within 6 months.

Cass · 29-09-2021 12:03pm

That idea was floated before and utterly rejected as unworkable. Plus is the psychologist now liable if someone under their supervision/review does anything? Its for this reason AGS does not certify or officially recognise any competency course, yet demands one when applying.

Melodeon · 30-09-2021 11:38am

I think a lot of what's currently driving this SACF purge is the Jacinda Ardern effect.

Politicians around the world saw how she was practically canonised for her immediate and decisive move against EBRs, and how little pushback she got from the gunowners directly effected. They've seen how being 'tough on guns' has no downside whatsoever in jurisdictions where there's no strong pro-firearms lobby and where the great majority of those who do own firearms don't decide their vote on firearms issues.

Feisar · 30-09-2021 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958336#Comment_117958336

I have decided to become a single issue voter.

Grizzly 45 · 30-09-2021 12:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958336#Comment_117958336

Having a massacre in a church of the "religion of peace" helps immeasurably for your agenda. As well as having a complacent gun lobby like what was in NZ,and even mentioned in the terrorist manifesto as to why he chose to use such firearms in his spree. Not to mind in Horse face Arden's case being a "Blair babe" in her interim days,she was infected by that war criminals anti-gun agenda.

Grizzly 45 · 30-09-2021 12:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117953551#Comment_117953551

It was floated again in the UK by Privi Patel post-Plymouth this year, and the UK doctors have been going nuts about it, even the head shrinkers. .On a UK doctors chat group on FB [Dr Rant] it came up as;

Half of the GPs said they wouldn't sign off on it as they are not qualified to diagnose mental health and don't want the extra work or the blame if something happens.The other half said they are anti-gun and refuse to sign off as it is on the medical requirement as it is.The head docs said pretty much they dont want the responsibility or work load either.

BTW did you know it is a directive in EU law that every EU member state does have to have some sort of medical investigation in any firearms liscense since 1990? It's already in the 1990 eU directive if I rightly recall. Funny THIS particular point hasnt been mentioned in any opinion pieces or commentary sofar?

freddieot · 04-10-2021 9:53am

The entire psychological testing or rather validating is unworkable in reality for the average person at least. When anyone applies for a cert, you already include your Doctor or medical professional details. This gives the AGS the option to check with your GP etc. Prior to my Court Case (during the great unpleasantness), I proactively get a letter from my GP (just in case the issue arose in court - there was no reason why it should, and it did not, but best to be over-prepared for all arguments and issues). However, all my GP could say, as is the case for most medical professionals, is that 'he has never observed any behaviour or reason that might make me an unsuitable person to possess a firearm'.

Even after Abbeylara, the formal position as I understand it from the medical community was that it would take several sessions with any individuals before any proper opinion could be put forward as to the mental suitability (or not) of any person to possess firearms or be prohibited from same. That's not practical for normal licensing purposes except I assume in cases where the individual has had a certain history of relevant issues. Therefore any move to include something like that in the general process would be flawed and I suspect also start off a whole new era of court dramas as well (e.g. what is a relevant issue).

Grizzly 45 · 04-10-2021 11:37am

Directive 2017/853 [11]As regards Member States' obligation to have a monitoring system in place in order to ensure that the conditions for a firearms authorisation are met throughout its duration, Member States should decide whether or not the assessment is to involve a prior medical or psychological test.

We were ahead of the curve in Ireland on this already with Abbylara and the Carthy inquiry. It was a recommendation in that report and is in our firearms law.So that minor point should be already made a lot stronger by everyone.

clivej · 05-10-2021 1:06pm

Had a good talk about converting them to 'Lever Release' on Saturday

Munsterlad102 · 06-10-2021 4:27pm

Just a thought, but if you converted your SA CF rifle to single shot by putting in a block in the mag well you might be able to keep it. More of a middle finger to the Oireachtas rather than anything practical as you'd still effectively have a SA CF rifle, just not being allowed to put any mags in it. Something along the lines of the SI420/2019 mag ban.

Cass · 06-10-2021 4:42pm

Munsterlad102 - as you'd still effectively have a SA CF rifle

There would be the problem right there, you'd still have a S/A. The functioning of the firearm would remain unchanged only its ability to fire more rounds simply because you didn't load anymore. IOW its a case of functionality. They want the self loading function of the S/A gone.

BSA International · 18-10-2021 9:00pm

Seen as your back posting jb88 care to enlighten us now?

jb88 · 20-10-2021 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118038657#Comment_118038657

sorry BSA some people need more than just enlightenment.

Best advice, if its an issue you care about write your submission, lobby TD's and take it from there. TD's dont read this forum, they have better things to do and so should we all. Nothing gets solved here.

This whole drama will be brought back in the new year, along with a new series called CFSAR 2. With all the main co stars appearing here.

Cass · 20-10-2021 12:45pm

jb88 - This whole drama will be brought back in the new year,

What will be brought back next year? The proposed ban? Did you not do a "vicotry lap" a few weeks back with the claim its "dead"?

jb88 (23/09/2021) - Its not on the cards, not happening, those on the justice committee no longer looking at this.

And if you want to thank anyone, thank 3 people including myself, but really thank the other two, I just turned up and shot.

This issue is dead right now with the govt, not going ahead despite some peoples agendas.

BSA International · 20-10-2021 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047149#Comment_118047149

I have submitted my thoughts to relevant places not that I think it'll makes a blind bit of difference in this case. Heard a whisper it's not up for "discussion" ......... (& yes I took it with a lb of salt 🧂😋)

Reading your reply above seems your big hurrah was a bit premature. Never, never believe a politican 😉

JP22 · 20-10-2021 9:39pm

Reading your reply above seems your big hurrah was a bit premature. Never, never believe a politican 😉

“The main problem in any democracy is that crowd-pleasers are generally brainless swine who can go out on a stage & whup their supporters into an orgiastic frenzy—then go back to the office & sell every one of the poor bastards down the tube for a nickel apiece.”

― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

and on a lighter note..........

“Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning "many" and "tics" meaning "bloodsucking creatures".”

― robin williams

Mellor · 24-10-2021 4:01pm

So not dead then?

Munsterlad102 · 24-10-2021 5:15pm

Just a thought that came to mind, if Frances Fitzgerald planned to outright ban CF SA in 2015, why didn't she just ban the future licensing of these rifles? Seems a little bit stupid when you could just revoke all licenses issued and ban licensing them again. I know politicians aren't exactly known for their high IQs, but surely one of her advisors would have been semi competent enough to point this out.

Cass · 24-10-2021 5:28pm

She couldn't have revoked all existing licenses in the form of a ban as that would have led to ompensation claims. She initially said there would be no compensation, but after saying this things went "quiet" and her department later walked that back presumably after someone told her that the revocation of licenses, hence property, is something that would require compensation.

As for why she didn't ban new ones, I honestly don't know. The pistol ban of 2009 came about in the exact same way and that is done under a change to the act, but also an SI, which the Minister could have done fairly quickly. Perhaps she was intending to draft legislation, but never got around to it.

yubabill · 24-10-2021 6:22pm

Here is Eugene Stoner father of the AR15 / M16 in his own words describing how he was a hobby shooter on the range, shooting a prototype self loading rifle he made for fun, when an executive from soon- to- be- formed ArmaLite asked him to join the company and design the AR10 which became the AR15 at the hands of John Sullivan.

so a civilian designed the AR while hobby shooting

https://youtu.be/kaIU0nCxwGg

Grizzly 45 · 24-10-2021 9:54pm

She couldn't have revoked all existing licenses in the form of a ban as that would have led to ompensation claims. She initially said there would be no compensation, but after saying this things went "quiet" and her department later walked that back presumably after someone told her that the revocation of licenses, hence property, is something that would require compensation.

Remember if you go back to the 2014 paper,they were basing and still do this claim of no compensation on [1]Two high court judges comments in firearms cases about licensing being a privilege,but they NEVER mentioned anything about compensation and [2] A UK academics law paper, that had zero bearing on UK Law, whatsoever in relation to the Hungerford/Dunblane compensation cases and [3] If this is/was challenged in the HC it creates precedent law in Ireland which could have all sorts of knock-on effects in relation to all sorts of licensed items,goods and professions.However, they will no doubt quote the case of the Taxi drivers Vs the minister for state in 2000 who tried to sue for loss of earnings as their precedent, be rather shaky ground according to some legal heads.

https://www.irishlegal.com/index.php/articles/taxi-drivers-lose-high-court-challenge-against-liberalisation-of-licensing-regulations

As for why she didn't ban new ones, I honestly don't know. The pistol ban of 2009 came about in the exact same way and that is done under a change to the act, but also an SI, which the Minister could have done fairly quickly. Perhaps she was intending to draft legislation, but never got around to it.

It does seem odd alright, why leave it this long on the finger? It does give credence to the idea of a tipping point number of new imports and licenses issued? Maybe they were expecting post the DC cases and the Dail inquiry a surge like with the handguns that never emerged? Or that there was so much dirt coming up about AGS at the time that she was too busy doing a CYA after the burnings in the DC's and Dail inquiry, that she was being political and trying to be all things to all people?As the whole thing does sound like future music for someone else to deal with? Or that this is Browne trying to make a political name for himself by trying for some low hanging fruit? We can only speculate.

Munsterlad102 · 25-10-2021 11:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118067235#Comment_118067235

But if the current minister can decide to revoke all licenses issued post 15th September 2015, despite there being no mention of such a date in any current firearms legislation, then surely Fitzgerald could have just picked a random date and leave 1 CFSA licensed. My point is what makes the 15th of September date so important? It has no legal basis, but is the dividing line between compensation and no compensation. What would stop the minister revoking all CFSA licenses issued post the 1972 "temporary" custody order, or the 2008 pistol cut off date? Surely there's more of a legal basis for those dates? I guess I'm just struggling to wrap my head around why something a minister thought 6 years ago has such an impact on whether compensation is given or not.

Thank God for that anyway, probably would have been a bit of an embarrassment for her, being forced down from such a hard line stance to settle for leaving so many scary fully semi automatic rifles out there.

Cass · 25-10-2021 12:00pm

The 15th September 2015 was the date the Minister stood in the Dáil and announced her intention to prohibit the licensing of any more SACF rifles. Like with the pistol ban the then Minister made the same statement on 18th November 2008, but the legislation to impose such a banwas not drafted until June 2009 and signed into law in July 2009. The legilsation is then retrospectively applied back to the date the statement of intent was announced in the Dáil.

I'm not a legal expert but from a cursory check this is legal but only in some forms of legislation. It does not apply to criminal matters which is why I also struggled to understand its legality as some firearm laws are contained within criminal justice acts, however from what I've read its only an issue if it makes something that was legal illegal causing someone who was not guilty of an offence "yesterday" to be guilty of an offence today.

In other words with no statement made and no law to prohibit owning/possessing/licensing a SACF rifle prior to September 2015 the law cannot be introduced to make what was legal, illegal prior to that date. Hence the reason a date is set.

I said either in this thread or another that the pistol ban was annunced, drafted, signed into law within 8 months. Its been over 6 years and only the first draft is done (apparently from last year) so I think people would have a strong-ish case to appeal the severe length of time between the statement of intent and the introduction of legislation (which still hasn't come) and the posible revocation of license in that time period.

Munsterlad102 · 25-10-2021 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070217#Comment_118070217

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying that Cass. I believe the proposed ban is part of a criminal justice act, so I'll be interesting to see if the cut off date holds up.

Cass · 25-10-2021 12:48pm

So was the pistol ban, but it was also supported by an SI (337/2009). Its why I wondered about the pistol ban, but perhaps because the section regarding pistols, although contained within the criminal justice act, was not/does not criminalise the act after the fact it is legal. I mean the DoJ have enough "experts" to not allow an illegal aspect be put into legislation.

Time will tell.

Cass · 30-10-2021 3:38pm

From replies gotten, and comparing to others, the wording used in all correspondence is "its my itent to move forward with prohibiting the licensing of semi-auto centrefire firearms".

So even with the formation, or rather planned formation, it seems he has the bit between his teeth and is charging on with the proposed ban.

Munsterlad102 · 01-11-2021 4:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118094273#Comment_118094273

Who'd have thought certain individual's secretive meetings wouldn't amount to much. Almost as if they were bullsh*tting us since the start for some unknown motivation. Who knows, maybe he'll get the Taoiseach or Michael D to intervene.

jb88 · 03-11-2021 12:37pm

Those who have the most to lose, me and a few others. Made ourselves aware of the facts, identified the players and sent submissions.

The minister for state isnt a player. He doesnt have the power or this would have been done already and a ban would be in place. He has had to slowly backtrack out of his statements to now establishing some think tank with no powers, see where all of this is going....

Cass · 03-11-2021 1:11pm

jb88 - He doesnt have the power or this would have been done already

Wrong.

Any Minister can bring forward a Bill and its called a Bill. If a TD does it its called a private members bill. The Minister is Minister for state within the Department of Jutice and Equality with responsibility for law reform. I mean the clue is right there in the name, law reform.

jb88 - He has had to slowly backtrack out of his statements

When did this happen? You claimed it was dead in the water 6 weeks ago, now you're saying he is backtracking, yet all the evidence points to the opposite.

It would be so much easier for people to get behind you if you stopped with the "wink, wink", "nudge, nudge" crap, spoke openly and clearly and simply said what it is you mean rather than obfuscate in what can only be described as some sort of attempt to engrandize yourself with subtle implciations of knowledge about this beyond what everyone else knows.

jb88 - to now establishing some think tank with no powers,

Wrong again. The review committee is part of the legal process.

The process is:

Green paper on the Bill with input from stakeholders
Publish the heads of the Bill
Oireachtas review committee (also may include stakeholders)
Initiation of the Bill
Debate on the Bill
Committee Stage (this is where amendments happen)
Report stage
Final stage (basically finalising the Bill before sending it to the Seanad)
The other house of the Oireachtas goes through stages two to five
Bill is passed by both houses and sent to President for signing into law.

At the moment it appears to be at the beginning of the process, somewhere in the review committee stage. This is why he has set up a committee to reivew it, invite stakeholders, and discuss the contents of the Bill so that it can progress to the next step, a final draft and onto initiation of the Bill.

jb88 - see where all of this is going

Not in the same direction you wish it were, or think it is. Hope I wrong, but your calls for everyone to ignore this "dead issue" (as you call it) while at the same time telling people to write to the Minister/involved persons is confusing and contradictory.

Once again, and I know you'll simply disappear for a few weeks until you think its safe to raise your head above the parapet, I'd ask that you clearly, concisely and in no vague way explain what you have done, intend to do or know that will help this situation.

jb88 · 04-11-2021 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112118#Comment_118112118

I live in the real world, in this country rules are just guidelines, you dont get the blessing from someone its dead in the water. No consensus, no decision made. Id show you the proof but you still wouldnt believe me.

There is a hierarchy to everything in this country and if you dont tip the hat to the right people nothing gets done.

Rules, when has that ever mattered to the Govt in Ireland . Thats what they write down. Its not what happens

Cass · 04-11-2021 6:40pm

jb88 - I live in the real world,

That is questionable at best. Between the self agrandizing, cryptic, baseless and out right wrong information (or lack thereof) you have posted over the last two months, the real world is not something I associate with you.

jb88 - in this country rules are just guidelines

So the firearm acts are just a set of "guidelines? You're not with it at all, you really aren't. That isnot an attack on your character, but if you truly believe that rules (Definition: A set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity) are only guidelines you're on the wrong path.

jb88 - , you dont get the blessing from someone its dead in the water.

So backtracking on your claim you and two others have "saved the sport"?

jb88 - No consensus, no decision made.

Nonsensical jibberish.

jb88 - Id show you the proof but you still wouldnt believe me.

How would you know? You've yet to provide a scintilla of "proof". Other than your cryptc ramblings about secret meetings and back room deals, you have provided nothing even resembling proof. If you mean word of mouth, its not worth the paper its written on.

I spoke before, when you made your claim that you've single handedly saved these firearms and the sport, that if true show us and you'll receive the gratitude and adoration you seek, especially from me.

jb88 - There is a hierarchy to everything in this country and if you dont tip the hat to the right people nothing gets done.

So you are now claiming that you and these other two have done some back room meeting/deal without consulting or informing anyone else. The very thing you've spoken so ardently against since the start of crap show?

jb88 - Rules, when has that ever mattered to the Govt in Ireland . Thats what they write down. Its not what happens

The conspiracy theory forum is that way --------------------->

Frankly, from my own perspective and based on what you've written and failed to do, I view you as the very threat you have spoken about previously. I just hope that anyone of authority that you have made contact with can see that and that the damage you do is negligible.

jb88 · 05-11-2021 3:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118118108#Comment_118118108

quick to criticize. I think its because myself and a couple of other enlightened individuals are doing something to make a difference and stop this issue of a ban from happening.

Now do your bit and lobby the various stakeholders and stop criticizing me at every turn for even telling you whats happening.

Should have known better than to put info on this forum

Grizzly 45 · 05-11-2021 4:18pm

You and your group don't represent anyone here either.We have no idea who you are your group is, what you repersent,or have any public information about you So you have no mandate either to do anything on this matter until you start declaring some information and stop with your Walting.

Cass · 05-11-2021 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123312#Comment_118123312

Yep, I am given your history of lies, half truths, exaggerations and attacking anyone that "dares" ask you to explain yourself.

You said 6 to 7 weeks ago this issue is dead. Your words, verbatim. Now you say you and others are working to stop it.

Cass · 05-11-2021 7:25pm

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Tell you what, you were warned before about making false/baseless claims without backing them up or providing evidence, not to mention attacking this forum and its memebrs. You have failed to heed them so therefore I take your continued posting as nothing more than trolling.

Contune to do this and you'll receive a thread ban. Continue after that and its a forum ban.

Mellor · 06-11-2021 8:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118118108#Comment_118118108

I put massive faith in evidence. Much more so that words. Anyone can say anything. But evidence is all that matter.

So that basis, can I see the proff you referred to above. If it’s legit, you’ll have my full support, as a person indirectly impact by the changes (if they happen).

Grizzly 45 · 10-11-2021 2:06pm

Getting a vibration on my web that there might be some movement on this before Dail recess for Christmas...Which is the usual time to dump a steaming package of warm&brown on our laps it seems. Some local Limerick politico and ex Garda waffling on about pocket and cheapo hunting knives being sold in Limerick in Lidil,[and ignoring the fact that you can get a better selection of more efficient killing knives in any Euro shop.]

As well as Min Browne being concerned about "Zombie knives" which apparently because of their "saw action blades can cause extremely serious injuries or death if they are pulled out of a person!"....Pass the puke bucket please! I need to vomit from the overload of hyperbole in this Limerick Post article and ignorance displayed by both the minister and this ex Garda, Limerick mayor and opportunistic politician on knives.

Anyhow, it seems that if they want to introduce legislation b4 Xmas ,it might mean that this hidden bit of tack on legislation regarding semi-auto sporting rifles might be moved with it.Seeing that no one opposed this bills second reading in the Summer,this could be pushed onwards with no objections. Time to give any pro-gun politicans you might know a rattle to oppose this bill until this tack on is discussed properly.

Feisar · 10-11-2021 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145935#Comment_118145935

I'm no doctor however I'd imagine one would have bigger problems on their hands if the typical knife with a saw back blade was deep enough that the saw back part was making contact!

ntipptop · 10-11-2021 7:01pm

well, i just had my m1 carbine license renewed,,

Quick phonecall from the chief supt and job done :):)

Happy days,,,,,,, for now!!!!

Cass · 10-11-2021 7:13pm

No reason it wouldn't be. There is no law prohibiting them, yet.

Was your original license issued prior to Sept. 2015? If so it'll continue to be renewed. If not then you may find problems when legislation is eventually passed.

Grizzly 45 · 10-11-2021 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118146533#Comment_118146533

TBH, I'd be more worried by getting hit by a cheapo 12 in Euro store kitchen knife in a stabbing incident than being done by some oddly shaped sharpened bit of metal with neon green or fluorescent orange paracord wrapped handle with the words "Zombie knife" or the like written on the blade,than by a combat or hunting knife on our streets.🙄

Hey, every good combat knife has to have a sawback... Ever since Rambo used one that is... Sykes /Fairbairn or Rex Applegate and KA BAR's USMC knife design had no idea what with their commando knife of WW2 fame. Sawbacked knives are where it's at...🙄🙄

jb88 · 15-11-2021 3:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145935#Comment_118145935

Well everyone is so quick to dispute me. well Griz show me the facts here, proof, evidence that this exists, "this legislation isnt going before the govt" ive had assurances from two TD's that nothing is happening on this.

What proof Griz have you?

You know the reasons why it wont go ahead, because then the govt have to include setting up an independent body to oversee firearms legislation, and yet another independent appeals body to make sure thats all working. Lots more money to be wasted by the state, when the Gardai have control of this already.

If you think for a second the Gardai will give up this power then you have another bigger problem.

But watch this space.

Cass · 15-11-2021 4:51pm

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Traumadoc · 15-11-2021 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118145935#Comment_118145935

Have not seen any zombie knife injuries , mostly I see domestic steak knives - they tend to be few and far between anyway.

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Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County