I am calling BS on the claim this has been all sorted. Why would an individual who from the start has claimed this is a non issue, nothing to see here and ye are all talking crap. Suddenly in a week decide to fight something they believe is non existent and then claim to have had the decision reversed.

If true fantastic and well done, for your next trick can you please get CF pistols sorted.

On a side note the attitudes towards this from some people are nothing but astounding. A section of our sport is being attacked and the most important thing that is being discussed is the name of an organisation. I do not care who or what organisation is making representation on behalf of our sport as long as it has a positive outcome for ALL involved.

I mean FFS this carry on is like the lads standing on the deck of the Titanic all arguing about what colour socks to wear, the ship is going down. Cop on and get behind anyone trying to advance shooting sports in this Country for the benefit of all and not just to suit one or two sections of the community at the expense of the rest.

The powers that be need to do FEK all to decimate shooting sports here, they just need to sit back and let all the infighting, egos and complete lack of a willingness to cooperate with each other do it for them.

But hey lets all keep discussing future representative bodies names we would be happy to support and speak for us.

Any chance of getting reloading in while yer at it?

By who or what organisation is working on this ?

Gents as @otmmyboy2 said earlier I'd be of the same POVon these issues, mercenary. I don't care who's scoring the goals/getting man of the match as long as I'm on the winning team. If there is an outfit that are getting things done, please advise as I want to start paying my dues.

Be easy enough to find out with a FOIA request as to whether either ministers involved met with any private parties to at a public range to discuss firearms legislation with 3 or more people in Sept?

Quite the reverse. They have someone whose job (or part of their job) it is to check these sites daily and report back on anything that can be used to further their agendas or be used in context (or out of it) to help justify their policies. It's an ideal way to be ready to counter any reasoned argument, approach or move by getting sight of any argument or initiative well in advance of any petition by individuals or organisations.

Just because they don't comment does not mean they are not reading every single word.

Been working on a submission to DoJ and schadefreud lurking here.

only got as far as finding a couple of themes I might work under.

wouldnot be entirely surprised if this ban has been dropped btw.

they would have used the EU firearms directive to do it if they were ever going to imho.

WRONG.

As freddiot says in his post,

They may not give a hoot about what we think or what we want, but they know everything that’s going on and you can bet your last euro in your pocket, they read every media comment (the good, bad and the ugly) that’s made about them or their policies.

Never ever forget - Information is power.

Newstalk live now.Firearms discussion,talk about the firearm expert comittee with James Brown td.Only got the tail end of this but there was talk of bringing in psychological testing and this comittee reporting to the minister within 6 months.

I think a lot of what's currently driving this SACF purge is the Jacinda Ardern effect.

Politicians around the world saw how she was practically canonised for her immediate and decisive move against EBRs, and how little pushback she got from the gunowners directly effected. They've seen how being 'tough on guns' has no downside whatsoever in jurisdictions where there's no strong pro-firearms lobby and where the great majority of those who do own firearms don't decide their vote on firearms issues.

Having a massacre in a church of the "religion of peace" helps immeasurably for your agenda. As well as having a complacent gun lobby like what was in NZ,and even mentioned in the terrorist manifesto as to why he chose to use such firearms in his spree. Not to mind in Horse face Arden's case being a "Blair babe" in her interim days,she was infected by that war criminals anti-gun agenda.

The entire psychological testing or rather validating is unworkable in reality for the average person at least. When anyone applies for a cert, you already include your Doctor or medical professional details. This gives the AGS the option to check with your GP etc. Prior to my Court Case (during the great unpleasantness), I proactively get a letter from my GP (just in case the issue arose in court - there was no reason why it should, and it did not, but best to be over-prepared for all arguments and issues). However, all my GP could say, as is the case for most medical professionals, is that 'he has never observed any behaviour or reason that might make me an unsuitable person to possess a firearm'.

Even after Abbeylara, the formal position as I understand it from the medical community was that it would take several sessions with any individuals before any proper opinion could be put forward as to the mental suitability (or not) of any person to possess firearms or be prohibited from same. That's not practical for normal licensing purposes except I assume in cases where the individual has had a certain history of relevant issues. Therefore any move to include something like that in the general process would be flawed and I suspect also start off a whole new era of court dramas as well (e.g. what is a relevant issue).

Had a good talk about converting them to 'Lever Release' on Saturday

sorry BSA some people need more than just enlightenment.

Best advice, if its an issue you care about write your submission, lobby TD's and take it from there. TD's dont read this forum, they have better things to do and so should we all. Nothing gets solved here.

This whole drama will be brought back in the new year, along with a new series called CFSAR 2. With all the main co stars appearing here.