Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

We are seeing around Europe that people are now being refused access to grocery stores because of their vaccinated status. The German state of Hesse are doing it.

Don't for a second believe they don't have hopes for this here and if booster uptake isnt what they feel is sufficient, that they wont relinquish your "privileges" if you don't take the boosters 1, 2, 3 etc.

Are we allowed ask what your reason is? No obligation to reply obviously but would like to try to understand it.

To be candid, save where there's a good reason (eg. an objectively justified medical reason not to get the vaccine) I'm of the Jurgen Klopp view. Not getting vaccinated would be fine if the decision only affected the decision maker. But it doesn't. It affects the person(s) you become more likely to infect, the health worker who has to to deal with disproportionate amounts of unvaccinated persons who test positive, the outpatient whose procedure is delayed because the hospital is too busy - to which you again contribute disproportionately, the businesses that are impeded by the additional covid measures your decision necessitates, and so forth. Jurgen used the driving after a few drinks analogy and he is right. It's not just you that you are endangering (fine if it was), it's everyone else too. And before anyone says the obvious, I speak on a macro level - of course the increaded risk per person is quite small (eg., to continue with the analogy, most drink drivers don't crash) but over a large amount of people (370,000 we are told), the increased risk is significant, (eg. If you have 370,000 people drink driving there will inevitably be a large amount of accidents).

Eileen Dunne will never retire her Stay Safe sign off now. We gotta keep the misery going.

Yeah no mention of his lying to the UN about weapons in Iraq. His main legacy.

In fairness it was a quick breaking news item.

This is really an argument for people who agree with him and you. Like Klopp, you clearly have no idea why these people don't want to get vaccinated. I don't either BTW. Some of them may not be in a position to be vaccinated, through their own physical conditions. Within that group of 370,000, you have 70,000 with one shot and some may have had such adverse reactions to the first vaccination that they were advised not to get a second one.

For now a lot of this data seems to be unknown but it doesn't stop people opening both barrels on a group who have made their own personal choice, even if it’s one that really annoys a lot of people.  I take the view now we've had 93%, which is very impressive, rather than focus on the 7% that we may never see vaccinated. 

What?

Terryfiying it may well be,however it serves to underline just how easy it is to mould & direct the responses of previously normal,intelligent contributors to functional society and turn them into a monitor and judge of other lesser mortals who do not fit their mould.

Sadly,this die is now long cast,particularly in Western Europe.

The hoary old notion of the "rebellious Irish" has been well & truly laid to rest by the Covid-19 EMERGENCY.

I'm sorry, I have to ask, genuinely what do you think the motivations of NPHET/the Government/senior medics are? Do you think Tony Holohan has a nefarious reason for the introduction of Covid certs or the Covid restrictions? Same as Leo/Michael?

Not sure if you're following what I am saying or not... I'm certainly finding it hard to follow you...

Do you want vaccine passes gone or our nightlife industry back to normal?

I know what you mean, hoping to get to some games in Landsdowne Road over November... Showing a cert isn't a massive issue if I can do that

The wrong thing to do, putting measures in place to protect the public health?! Do you agree with seatbelts? Seat belts were highly resisted until they were enforced!

And what you suspect to be their motivation is highly relevant to this discussion as it allows me to see your mindset. It allows me to form a subjective opinion as to whether your arguments are stated in reasonable fact or outlandish. Given that some people are comparing these measures to the Holocaust, I dont think that's too much of a jump.

Yes the vaccine has allowed life to move towards normal.

Now please let them announce the rest of normal. A few proper nights out are needed starting next weekend!

Blues beating Bohs in Dalyer would be the perfect start

I took it for travel, I haven’t used indoor hospitality. Not getting a booster so I guess my travelling days might be limited in the future.