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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    Thats my read too, from what I've read. Seems like NTTD was the end of the story arc, an arc they only started in Spectre. It being the last, they have to include some Bond tropes, and thought an implausibly advanced watch was a good idea.

    I'm well used to ignoring the technical aspects in movies. I work in IT security and there were large bits in SkyFall I had to just ignore. Sometimes though the bits you have to ignore are too much, especially when Craigs outting as Bond has been more grounded in reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,818 ✭✭✭✭ glasso


    There has been pretty much zero criticism or indeed even casual comment about NTTD being "woke" since this films release (notwithstanding speculation from many in advance of release).

    That's creating an argument where there is none really.

    This film is let live or let die in the hearts of the audience largely on whether Bond's personal story is embraced or dismissed by the viewer.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭ silverharp


    if it is supposed to need 8-9 hundred million to make a profit , it seems difficult to see it getting above six hundred at this stage as its not going to do great in the US, they probably made a mistake delaying a US release as the audience would have heard the mixed reviews and the spoilers. First Bond film to make a loss, I think they will need to take a break for 5 years or more before they even consider making another film



    Grosses

    DOMESTIC (17.6%)

    $55,225,007

    INTERNATIONAL (82.4%)

    $259,028,000

    WORLDWIDE

    $314,253,007

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    I wonder if Bond dying at the end, or the lead in a movie dying in general affects how likely people are to go to see it in the cinema a second or third time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭ micks_address


    i think its fair to say there's probably still a covid effect here as well...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    Absolutely. Anyone Ive known who has gone to the cinema recently has said it was half full or in some cases, they were the only people there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    I honestly think they over-advertise Bond movies tbh. With so many of their product placement partners running tie-in ads, the endless TV spots, buses, billboards etc. are massive overkill. The fans will already know when it's coming and the general public aren't going to go see a film just because they're bombarded with advertising for it.

    I'd actually wager that a lot of flagpole movies could be a lot more profitable if they didn't spend so much on Advertising so the only answer I have is that those paying for the advertising also own the companies making the money from that (and it's simply a tax efficient means of moving film production money into other assets).



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    NTTD was definitely over marketted, and starting with Skyfall, I think the tie-in with Heineken is just shameless profiteering and felt shoe horned in. There were already plenty of brands tied into Bond, Aston Martin, Omega, Martini, Walther.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭ silverharp


    Bond films were cultural events back in the day, the first BMW yada yada, the film song would be all over the charts. "nobody" watches television ads now so I wouldnt have thought there would be any buzz about what the product placement is. Also as full on commuting etc has not happened yet there is less being exposed to Bus or other public film posters.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    I still watch television and am inundated with ads for NTTD. Both Bond drinking Heineken, and actual trailers for the movie. The week it launched there was an ad in every ad break on RTE, plus the Late late Show was Bond themed. And apparently Tubridy didn't shut up about it all week if you're a masochist and listen to him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭ Sleepy


    The All4 player and RTE Player had Bond ads every break too... the advertising spend is absolutely astronomical for these movies. And I really, really don't see how the "buzz" the morkeshing people promise delivers in bums on cinema seats. I'm convinced it's some form of Hollywood accounting rather than the studios being too thick to realise that for every dollar spent on advertising they need to be getting an extra two or three back in ticket sales...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭ Fred Astaire


    At the mere hint of a betrayal?

    She told Bond she had a secret, needed to tell him but she would wait a day for no reason. She then insisted he went to the grave - where he gets ambushed and attacked. She then decides to not explain anything, after Bond comes to the very rational conclusion that she has some part in it. How easy would it have been to say - hey, I'm pregnant, to at least buy her the time to explain. Nah - we need her to be an absolute idiot here because the movie needs to happen.

    I don't blame Bond for thinking it was her - because the alternative which the movie rather incredibly, actually went with - is that Blofeld had a team of 20 or so people just hanging around in a town just incase Bond ever decided to show up to visit the grave of an ex lover. It's absolutely f*cking terrible writing. Embarrassing, nonsensical rubbish.

    And the movie, most hilariously of all, tried to make out that Bond was the one at fault for not trusting her?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭ silverharp


    true, but a lot of people dont, my kids would know who Tuberty is (lucky them) , the bang for a marketing $ must be dropping

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭ FunLover18


    Both were at fault and I agree the writing was awful. I'm sure she also realised that Spectre would always be hunting Bond and herself and the safest thing for her daughter would be to be as far from Bond as possible although it still doesn't make sense that she would then go on to be Blofeld's psychiatrist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭ StupidLikeAFox


    Remember Bond drove a mondeo in quantum of solace. A mondeo ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,670 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    That was Casino Royale, and he won the Aston Martin DB-5 in a poker game later that evening. It being a kind of reboot, the Aston became "his" car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭ FunLover18


    I actually liked seeing Bond drive an average Joe car. It was only one scene and then he wins the DB5 in the card game and gets the Vanquish (?) in Montenegro.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭ micks_address


    was funny seeing him in a Toyata jeep.. must have delighted land rover



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,802 ✭✭✭✭ Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭ Boulevardier


    [SPOILER. DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM].]

    I just saw this film this afternoon. I have several queries, but my main one is that since James Bond dies in this film, why is there so much media chat about who might be the next Bond? How can there be any next Bond now?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭ FunLover18


    Reboot with a new continuity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭ PhiloCypher


    Every new Bond is a new continuity as evidenced by the fact he was a a new double 00 agent at the start of Casino Royale and not a crusty old Spy with 40 years of experience he'd be if the Connery era was the starting point.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,873 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Finally got around to this. Solid Bond movie: much better than Spectre, albeit stuck with the fact the whole Craig era probably should’ve ended with Skyfall and they’re just adding endings to endings with the last two films.

    Ana de Armas is the best thing about it (with around 10 mins of screen time out-acting everyone else), and evidence that they can can and should cast whoever the bloody hell they want as the next Bond as long as said choice has some actual charisma and screen presence. We’ve had moping, serious Bond - de Armas makes a good case for fun, goofy successor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭ El Rifle


    Maybe she could be the new Michael Myers too while were are at it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭ martingriff


    My take on the whole going to see him was that MI6 (or whatever agency Bond works for) caught up with her and made her do it that or she was hoping to find out why he targeted Bond and stop any other plans



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,873 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Don’t even think she should be ‘James Bond’ (c)… but I’d sure as hell watch her character her as the lead character for 2 hours over anyone else on screen here (Craig excepted, but he’s had his run). I also think the tone in the Cuba scenes is a really good marker for a new take on the character - fun but not wacky, messy but exciting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭ El Rifle


    Id say she was a refreshing character, because she has a lot of charm, but it could well be a case the rest of the cast being charmless as to why she stood out so well. We’ll soon find out.

    Probably she is being inundated by a variety of action movie scripts after lighting up the screen for her ten minutes. She will have her day in the limelight pretty soon…Transformers or something similar would be my bet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,748 ✭✭✭✭ MisterAnarchy


    She had a 10 minute cameo, trying to stretch that out for 2 hours is a completely different scenario though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭ silverharp



    seems to be rule that virtue signalling is proportional to the amount of sh1t in their closet



    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pixelburp


    DeArmas would make a terrible spy, sure doesn't she throw up when she lies? 😆



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