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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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    #1382
    micks_address
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    i think its fair to say there's probably still a covid effect here as well...



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    #1383
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118009864#Comment_118009864

    Absolutely. Anyone Ive known who has gone to the cinema recently has said it was half full or in some cases, they were the only people there.



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    #1384
    Sleepy
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    I honestly think they over-advertise Bond movies tbh. With so many of their product placement partners running tie-in ads, the endless TV spots, buses, billboards etc. are massive overkill. The fans will already know when it's coming and the general public aren't going to go see a film just because they're bombarded with advertising for it.

    I'd actually wager that a lot of flagpole movies could be a lot more profitable if they didn't spend so much on Advertising so the only answer I have is that those paying for the advertising also own the companies making the money from that (and it's simply a tax efficient means of moving film production money into other assets).



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    #1385
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118009952#Comment_118009952

    NTTD was definitely over marketted, and starting with Skyfall, I think the tie-in with Heineken is just shameless profiteering and felt shoe horned in. There were already plenty of brands tied into Bond, Aston Martin, Omega, Martini, Walther.



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    #1386
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010024#Comment_118010024

    Bond films were cultural events back in the day, the first BMW yada yada, the film song would be all over the charts. "nobody" watches television ads now so I wouldnt have thought there would be any buzz about what the product placement is. Also as full on commuting etc has not happened yet there is less being exposed to Bus or other public film posters.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1387
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010106#Comment_118010106

    I still watch television and am inundated with ads for NTTD. Both Bond drinking Heineken, and actual trailers for the movie. The week it launched there was an ad in every ad break on RTE, plus the Late late Show was Bond themed. And apparently Tubridy didn't shut up about it all week if you're a masochist and listen to him.



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    #1388
    Sleepy
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    The All4 player and RTE Player had Bond ads every break too... the advertising spend is absolutely astronomical for these movies. And I really, really don't see how the "buzz" the morkeshing people promise delivers in bums on cinema seats. I'm convinced it's some form of Hollywood accounting rather than the studios being too thick to realise that for every dollar spent on advertising they need to be getting an extra two or three back in ticket sales...

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    #1389
    Fred Astaire
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118006971#Comment_118006971

    At the mere hint of a betrayal?

    She told Bond she had a secret, needed to tell him but she would wait a day for no reason. She then insisted he went to the grave - where he gets ambushed and attacked. She then decides to not explain anything, after Bond comes to the very rational conclusion that she has some part in it. How easy would it have been to say - hey, I'm pregnant, to at least buy her the time to explain. Nah - we need her to be an absolute idiot here because the movie needs to happen.

    I don't blame Bond for thinking it was her - because the alternative which the movie rather incredibly, actually went with - is that Blofeld had a team of 20 or so people just hanging around in a town just incase Bond ever decided to show up to visit the grave of an ex lover. It's absolutely f*cking terrible writing. Embarrassing, nonsensical rubbish.

    And the movie, most hilariously of all, tried to make out that Bond was the one at fault for not trusting her?



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    #1390
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010137#Comment_118010137

    true, but a lot of people dont, my kids would know who Tuberty is (lucky them) , the bang for a marketing $ must be dropping

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1391
    FunLover18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010244#Comment_118010244

    Both were at fault and I agree the writing was awful. I'm sure she also realised that Spectre would always be hunting Bond and herself and the safest thing for her daughter would be to be as far from Bond as possible although it still doesn't make sense that she would then go on to be Blofeld's psychiatrist.



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    #1392
    StupidLikeAFox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010024#Comment_118010024

    Remember Bond drove a mondeo in quantum of solace. A mondeo ffs.



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    #1393
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017273#Comment_118017273

    That was Casino Royale, and he won the Aston Martin DB-5 in a poker game later that evening. It being a kind of reboot, the Aston became "his" car.



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    #1394
    FunLover18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017273#Comment_118017273

    I actually liked seeing Bond drive an average Joe car. It was only one scene and then he wins the DB5 in the card game and gets the Vanquish (?) in Montenegro.



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    #1395
    micks_address
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017326#Comment_118017326

    was funny seeing him in a Toyata jeep.. must have delighted land rover



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    #1396
    Ash.J.Williams
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117976356#Comment_117976356

    seems like an absolute legend off screen



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    #1397
    Boulevardier
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    [SPOILER. DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM].]

    I just saw this film this afternoon. I have several queries, but my main one is that since James Bond dies in this film, why is there so much media chat about who might be the next Bond? How can there be any next Bond now?



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    #1398
    FunLover18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025729#Comment_118025729

    Reboot with a new continuity.



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    #1399
    PhiloCypher
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025729#Comment_118025729

    Every new Bond is a new continuity as evidenced by the fact he was a a new double 00 agent at the start of Casino Royale and not a crusty old Spy with 40 years of experience he'd be if the Connery era was the starting point.



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    #1400
    johnny_ultimate
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    Finally got around to this. Solid Bond movie: much better than Spectre, albeit stuck with the fact the whole Craig era probably should’ve ended with Skyfall and they’re just adding endings to endings with the last two films.

    Ana de Armas is the best thing about it (with around 10 mins of screen time out-acting everyone else), and evidence that they can can and should cast whoever the bloody hell they want as the next Bond as long as said choice has some actual charisma and screen presence. We’ve had moping, serious Bond - de Armas makes a good case for fun, goofy successor.



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    #1401
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026848#Comment_118026848

    Maybe she could be the new Michael Myers too while were are at it?



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    #1402
    martingriff
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010383#Comment_118010383

    My take on the whole going to see him was that MI6 (or whatever agency Bond works for) caught up with her and made her do it that or she was hoping to find out why he targeted Bond and stop any other plans



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    #1403
    johnny_ultimate
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118027782#Comment_118027782

    Don’t even think she should be ‘James Bond’ (c)… but I’d sure as hell watch her character her as the lead character for 2 hours over anyone else on screen here (Craig excepted, but he’s had his run). I also think the tone in the Cuba scenes is a really good marker for a new take on the character - fun but not wacky, messy but exciting.



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    #1404
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118027897#Comment_118027897

    Id say she was a refreshing character, because she has a lot of charm, but it could well be a case the rest of the cast being charmless as to why she stood out so well. We’ll soon find out.

    Probably she is being inundated by a variety of action movie scripts after lighting up the screen for her ten minutes. She will have her day in the limelight pretty soon…Transformers or something similar would be my bet.



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    #1405
    MisterAnarchy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118027897#Comment_118027897

    She had a 10 minute cameo, trying to stretch that out for 2 hours is a completely different scenario though.



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    #1406
    silverharp
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    seems to be rule that virtue signalling is proportional to the amount of sh1t in their closet


    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1448282395673833478


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1407
    pixelburp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118027897#Comment_118027897

    DeArmas would make a terrible spy, sure doesn't she throw up when she lies? 😆



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    #1408
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118025729#Comment_118025729

    Facepalm



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    #1409
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118028151#Comment_118028151

    She was "ok", wouldn't be madly gushing over her at all here and didn't like that elongated Cuban bar fight scene - parts of it degenerated into slapstick territory

    It was more Austin Powers than anything else



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    #1410
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118039082#Comment_118039082

    You should give the poster a better answer than that, its not a stupid question

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1411
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    DeArma could make a good 00 and base a film on her. But, at the risk of being sexiest, her character wouldn't be one that sleeps around as 007 does. Yeah, I know how that sounds.

    Craig's Bond was disconcerting enough as it was - seeing as in his take there was an explicit origin story as a 00 right through to... you know.

    So, for the next Reboot to happen it has to be totally different actors all round. You can't have Fiennes as Q for example. The M actor pretty much called it a day too.

    What they did with Craig was totally different to the other Bonds, the other Bonds didn't have the same complete Arc, so it was okay(ish) to keep some of the other commonalities.



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