No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

Wedwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986364#Comment_117986364

Don’t worry, I’m getting to the age where you’re allowed say they don’t make em like they used to !!!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117984651#Comment_117984651

Oh absolutely Dades- I’m considered a dinosaur by the marketing people no less the movie business.

I guess it’s just a bit sad and I’m not alone- I’ve looked at a few dedicated JB forums and there’s a lot of people around the world of my/our generation feeling similar.

saying that I was happy with the original Star Wars trilogy,I watched some of the new stuff and some of it I liked but my interest waned and I stopped going to the new ones but that didn’t take away from my great experiences of the original series.

Live and let die might be my attitude to any future JB outings - we’ll just have to wait and see

pixelburp

Seems like some obligatory snark when talking about Bond "changing" from how people remember it...

greenspurs

I felt it was about an hour too long....

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facehugger99

Despite some great set pieces and stunning cinematography I felt it was ultimately disappointing. There's no getting away from the runtime and it should have lost at least 40minutes, I'm really sick of the bloating of most franchises - if you can't tell a coherent story in 1hr 45mins max, you're doing something wrong.

All the more ironic considering so much of the film felt so shallow - Malek's character was so underdeveloped it was next to impossible to figure out what his motivation was. The scriptwriters obviously considered it 'job-done' when they cast a black female replacement 007 because she was a charisma black-hole that was so under-written. The worst moment for me was when she suddenly says to a baddie, appros of nothing, "Hey, do you know what time it is? - It's time to die" - what garbage! I'm not sure what the point of bringing Christopher Waltz back was other than allowing them to do Silence of the Lambs parody - the bit where Bond grabs him around the neck felt so forced and out of character - but hey, the script needed Bond to touch Blofeld so that's what had to happen. The bionic eye was beyond preposterous too - genuinely some of the film felt like an Austin Powers send up of Bond and some of it was striving, beneath a heavy Zimmer score, of brooding realism - the tone was jarring and all over the place and boy did this film lag in the middle.

You can tell this movie has been written and re-written and it's a right dogs dinner script-wise.

I'd put NTTD behind both CR and Skyfall in the Craig era - probably just ahead of QOS.

As for the future, a hard re-boot is the only option - get rid of the entire cast and start from scratch.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117974100#Comment_117974100

They are still pushing that line in promos despite it being a red herring

https://twitter.com/Universal_Irl/status/1442840605470691329?t=hP32iJMtkzcFF6SRI-eKvg&s=03

StupidLikeAFox

"The worst moment for me was when she suddenly says to a baddie, appros of nothing, "Hey, do you know what time it is? - It's time to die" "

I forgot about that bit. I've no strong feelings on a female bond/007 either way but some of the craic she came out with was very forced and crowbarred into the story for symbolism. He made some random comment about race and she just said "**** this" and killed him (?). What's she going to tell her superiors - "yeah we could have captured and interrogated the double agent but on the way out he insulted me so I threw him into a lake of acid"

Also the big deal about her being the new 007 then halfway through an active mission she just gave it back to bond off her own back. And M was like "sure no problem", two of the sillier parts of the movie tbh

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117986332#Comment_117986332

Dalton was shown the door after License to Kill underperformed in 1989, it’s now considered one of the better movies.

Thats not true, Dalton was contracted to do at least one more film and would probably have done 2 more but for the Danjaq-MGM legal case.

Daltons 3rd film was due to be released in late 91 , pre production was well underway until the legal issue.

By the time it was resolved in Dec 92 , Dalton was outside his 7 year contract and felt he didnt want to reprise the role.

Broccoli reached out to Dalton, in hopes of convincing the actor to change his mind about quitting the series. He was apparently successful – in August 1993, Dalton told the Daily Mail that production on Bond 17 was expected to begin in early 1994.

Then the new deal hit a snag: Dalton was keen to film just one more Bond film to cap off his run. Broccoli, though, was keen to ensure a continuity of lead actor after such a long gap between movies.

Dalton recalled: "[Broccoli] said, quite rightly, 'Look, Tim. You can't do one. There's no way, after a five-year gap between movies, that you can come back and just do one.'"

Unwilling to sign up for "four or five" more films, Dalton "respectfully declined" to continue in the Bond role and he officially resigned in April 1994.

Sleepy

Goldeneye was written for Dalton's bond and it definitely shows. It's by far Brosnan's strongest outing.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117987430#Comment_117987430

The writing overall was just clunky and makes no sense. How many garages does Bond have around London with old Aston Martins stashed inside?

Spoiler Warning

Bond originally says no to Leiter's proposal before the Lynch character shows up to warn him not to take the job and gives him to phone to call M. When he does M is surprised to hear from him and clearly doesn't want Bond involved or even know that the scientist is still alive. So why was 007 there at all?

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a37867192/how-daniel-craig-changed-james-bond/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Don't agree with the Skyfall love personally but a fair opinion piece on the Craig era.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117987600#Comment_117987600

Because after refusing Leiter initially, he finds out about the existence of "Project Heracles" from Nomi  / new 007 later that evening.

007 was either monitoring Bond and/or Leiter we are supposed to assume.

He then changes his mind and agrees to help Leiter as he knew from the past what sort of area Obruchev was working in and realises how dangerous it could be after having a secret project running advancing the research for years since in "Heracles".

This was all of course in Jamaica, where Bond was living.

The action moves to Cuba later.

micks_address

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989152#Comment_117989152

i enjoy skyfall the most out of Craig’s outings.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989689#Comment_117989689

You can certainly have that opinion of course.

I just found the M / Bond Mummy complex thing too long and too nauseating and just didn't buy it.

In fact the moment the setting moved up to the "Skyfall" house in Scotland it just went off a cliff for me.

Before that the Silva villain I didn't find convincing at all either - too cartoony, even for a Bond villain.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989581#Comment_117989581

After I posted that it did occur to me that maybe she was tailing Leiter but it wasn't really made clear as when we first see her she's interacting with Bond, not Leiter. It's also strange that if she is tailing Leiter she doesn't know the name of the guy he's with and has to rely on Bond later for Ash's name. He also only decides to take the job after speaking to M which she provides him the phone to do unbeknownst to M.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989723#Comment_117989723

She's not gong to know the whole CIA org chart and he's a new guy isn't he supposed to be (Ash).

You're watching the wrong series of films if you're looking to nit-pick details like that really!

buried

The action set pieces are very very good. Best opening scene for a long time in one of these things, once it gets going after the graveyard. Another action set piece later on in foggy woods is also very very well crafted. But once again, way way way too much of the emotional, useless back story, with this morality familia humanising bull$hit going on. Fair enough, there's not as much as the last couple of Bond films, but way too much of this $hite is still there, and weakens what is supposed to be a action film to a one that doesn't really know what it is at all. Trying to bring in emotive elements to make you empathise with a character such as James Bond is just plain ridiculous and there is no need for it, if this shtick wasn't in it, it could have structured the film down to a really enjoyable 100-110 minutes.

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989761#Comment_117989761

I don't think it's completely outlandish to expect a Bond movie to make sense, the later Craig era movies have been overly convoluted in order to facilitate Bond's arc. Why is she trailing Leiter anyway, because he might go after the scientist? In which case yes I would expect her to get ad much detail on who he is travelling with and what other agencies are involved. It's a clunky scene that is there primarily to introduce the new 007 character and create tension between her and Bond, all of which could have been done in Cuba. The movie is way too long and one of the reasons is the writing and the inability to streamline scenes and plot points.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989834#Comment_117989834

M16 would obviously know that Bond, its most illustrious former agent, lives in Jamaica.

If they become aware that Leiter is going to Jamaica, coincidentally just after the London lab incident, it would be pretty obvious that there is a connection.

Makes sense to me.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989834#Comment_117989834

It baffles me how Purvis and Wade keep getting asked to write the scripts for the Bond films, they are terrible writers.

All of their films since Casino Royale have had rewrites by other writers.

They werent supposed to be writing NTTD either until Boyle left and a new script was needed.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989996#Comment_117989996

Bond movies like many other blockbusters are written by committees of marketing agents (or Manatees) things like dialogue don't seem to matter

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117989899#Comment_117989899

Well they didn't know where he was, M says as much. They thought he was dead (again) in which case she must have been tracking Leiter. But correct me if I'm wrong, she already knows that the scientist is going to be in Cuba at that stage, no? It seemed to me that the only reason she was there was to warn Bond to back off.

Honestly this is just the tip of my nitpicks :D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117990056#Comment_117990056

As said, any Bond movie ever will have nitpicks if it's crazy plots, gadgets that don't exist, villains that could have easily killed bond etc etc

You don't like the movie.

I get it.

Wedwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117987491#Comment_117987491

Officially that’s the story that was put out regarding Dalton’s exit and that’s fine, it suited both sides to say it was by mutual consent. You’re right that Dalton was contracted for 3 movies. In reality License to Kill underperformed and audiences hadn’t really warmed to Dalton. A six year legal battle followed and by the time they got through this and we’re ready to go again, Dalton was approaching his 50’s and EON wanted a fresh start, so Dalton was given a dignified exit by ‘resigning’ from the role. In the meantime Brosnan was finished with Remington Steele, finally allowing him to take up the role EON originally wanted him start at Living Daylights.

El Gato De Negocios

Saw it last night and really bloody enjoyed it.

Is it a good Bond movie?

Who's to say, but I've been a Bond watcher and fan for more than 35 years and I enjoyed this the most since I first saw Licence to Kill so I'll let others cast their judgement on that question.

I don't care that Craig's final outing wasn't "typical" Bond fare, I was entertained throughout and it absolutely did not feel like a 2 and a half hour movie.

One I'll definitely watch again at some point.

micks_address

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991331#Comment_117991331

I enjoyed it but did feel it was long. I think it would have been a bit more interesting if they expanded the storyline between Madeline snd saffin. Did she end up living with him after etc? The felix storyline and the Logan ash guy served very little purpose.

Lefty2Guns

Saw it last night too and enjoyed it, although it could have been done in less time.

Don't get me wrong, there was some cringey moments in the film and can understand why DC wanted no more of Bond.

If your going into the cinema to expect to see a masterpiece you will leave disappointed.

BrookieD

Just seen this last night.. film for me was a 4 out of 5. good Bond film, good action, Lynch was a good character, went in cold so end was a surprise. My take on it and being a big bond fan is a hard reboot. James Bond 007 will be back in a new film with new M, Q, Moneypenny etc... Lynch will NOT be a new Bond... she maybe a good 00 but Bond she is not. Also before the woke brigades take pot shots.. A black women should not take over as James Bond... However if you want a black female 00 agent working for MI6 flying all over the world to fight crime then develop and write a dam good story, I defo would see it but Bond is a Male, he can be white, black, asian but he is a male so leave it there.

micks_address

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991562#Comment_117991562

i mean in fairness would we expect a male wonder woman? i agree james bond is man.. 00's can be anything. Just fluting about on youtube last night watching craigs US interviews and the hollywood star presentation.. clip from 15 years ago when he was revealed as bond was there.. picture quality terrible but interesting to look back.. looking forward to seeing how they reveal the next bond. The movie should have been out 18 months ago so you'd wonder if they have already been working on the next iteration

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117991577#Comment_117991577

Unfortunately there are some people out there who would like to see a Wonder “Person” and a Super”Person” and a J Bond - it beggars believe but there ya go