Heavyweight Boxing

No hope against Lewis who keeps him at distance easily and if he gets in his lights go out because he doesn't have the defense.

I heard an interview with Wallin on a boxing podcast last week and he said Whyte has a rematch clause if he loses.

`yeah he is signed with eddie hear and rematchroom boxing

if whyte loses fury can crack on with another fight if he fancies it, he has one more to do in the states

Strangely Fury, his Da & Peter have said that they noticed everyone for 10 years always fought Wlad trying to catch land that on big shot because of Brewster & Sanders but that he had fixed that hole ,So they thought the best bet was to fight him technically as he became arrogant & thought no one would even try that route to victory,

Again the beauty of Fury is he has different ways to skin the cat,

Correct me if im wrong but Mike wasn't 220lbs in his Prime, He was 220lbs after Prison when he lost any decent fight he had,

He was 216lbs in what i consider his prime in and around when he fought Ruddock ( maybe a few lbs out )

Also you mention AJ getting stopped by Ruiz but Mike got stopped by Douglas who already been beat by some journey men ,

I'm basing it off i think Mike is extremely overrated , People rate Mike on "What could have been " not what was ,

They say ohh he was out of shape & out of his mind fighting Douglas , well that's his own fault, How do you know he wound's be same fighting AJ , Wilder , Fury,

I'm not saying Mike couldn't beat them I'm saying i wouldn't be surprised if they beat Mike,

Anyway i know people disagree & rate Mike highly & that's fine we all have opinions ,

Tyson was 215-220 at prime. No point quibbling over couple lbs. Circa 218 v Spinks. 219.5 vs Carl Williams. And 220 v Buster. 221 v Tucker

Fought Ruddock post Douglas fight. Was very capable in 1991.

AJ v Tyson is what we are discussing. No idea why Douglas brought into it

Ruiz stopped AJ. Tyson is far more dangerous than fat Ruiz.

AJ has a weak chin, no actual spoiling/survival skills, and reacts badly when hurt.

How much more does he need to be handicapped before you see this as a disaster for him vs prime Tyson?

Can discuss Mike’s overall career separately, but if you cannot see Tyson knocking AJ out 999/1000 times, then not sure what to say.

of all the HWs, I’d argue Tyson to be AJs worst matchup…

Spinks was light heavy weight ,He was just over 14 stone in his fights with homes & i think he was at a career high of 15st (210lbs ) v Tyson

Mike was certainly better before prison but unfortunately never had any real big fights ,

Who do you guys think Mikes best win is against ?

Regarding AJ. How can you see it possibly going 12, knowing what Tyson fought like and knowing AJ?

what does AJ do to go 12, because I just cannot see it..

It’s as much his manner of victory as opposed to best wins..

If I had to pick a fight where he looked at his best, I’d probably say Betbick. He was a monster that night.

Destroys Berbick, knocks pinky out, knocks Biggs out, clearly out points a spoiling Smith and a big awkward Tony Tucker, decimates Bruno in 5, Williams in a one punch KO, decimates Holmes in 4 rounds, Tubbs destroyed…

knocks undefeated lineal champion Spinks cold in one round.

Comes back and beats a very dangerous and big Ruddock twice. His points win in fight 2 performance wise was superb.

Post prison I don’t overly assess. He was clearly not the same fighter

Anyway, I have seen enough of pre prison Tyson and enough of AJ and Wilder to tell me that neither man lasts long vs 1986-1989 Tyson

mid 90s Tyson, albeit past his prime also knocks both out. He was still a very aggressive heavy hitter, who could still take a punch, and who could fight hard. AJ/Wilder won’t trouble him. Wilder and his 10 punches per round, and AJ scared sh1tless to get hit, and when he does by Tyson he is goosed.

They were not defences. No belt or title was on the line.

unless I missed something, but were any even sanctioned/advertised as being lineal or any other name defences?

sure couple them were ten rounders if I recall

Wilder suspended for 6 months and fury 45 days, id like to see wilder back in action soon once his hand heals

But who was his best win ?

Bruno ? had already been ko'd by Weatherspoon & SMith,

Holmes ? Was on a 2 fight losing streak & two years retired , both losses against very small Spinks who was 14 stone in them bouts,

Ruddock ? Who was good but not world class ,had been stopped by Jaco & then fought nobody himself, He was also beaten by 2 rounds by Lennox the following year &

Is his best win on paper Spinks ??? a man who fought at 200lbs as a heavyweight ?

Seriously, other than a big right hand, what on earth are you seeing from Wilder that leads you to believe he beats prime Tyson?

Tyson, who took a helluva shot anyway, and had an excellent defense..

I’m bewildered. Tyson is from the 1980s and 1990s.

What developments and improvements are you talking about with Wilder? The guy can barely throw a combination, has terrible feet, a questionable engine, and his chin is not great..

The way you’re painting it hear you’d swear Tyson was some ancient fighters from John Ls era, and Wilder some super skilled modern great.

The quality boxer has risen since the 1980s and 1990s?

AJ/Whyte/Chisora/Parker/Charles Martin. To name a few. Really??

Bowe/Lewis/Tyson/Foreman/Holyfield…yes, serious improvements today with our current crop!!🤔