Heavyweight Boxing

Aj’s corner last time out was terrible and it reminded me of the dubois corner when he was up against Joyce, boxers need good solid advice and direction sometimes.

Charles Martin is IBF mandatory!

Surely Trevor Bryan is automatically mandatory? He’s the regular champion..

you’d get lost with these organisations

I think Furys corner knew to give DW a few rounds to tire. Attempting a new style with 1.5 stone muscle extra was a bad idea.

I also think Fury is taking shots he doesn't need to take. It was definitly the right idea to back Wilder up but a few years ago Fury doesn't get hit with many of those shots.

He was even getting clipped against Wallin with shot's I haven't seen him take before.He's dropped a lot of his boxing IMO. Head movement, feints, boxing outside.

He has the heart of a lion and can take a shot but there is no need to walk through shots like he is doing IMO.

He's dropped a lot of his boxing IMO. Head movement, feints, boxing outside.

I think he purposely dropped the "boxing" for fighting Wilder , Just because if he was caught off balance or ducking into a shot it would be game over,

If your going to be tagged by Wilder better off its chin down biting on your mouth piece expecting it to come rather than getting caught as your try to duck & weave, Fury expected to be hit he said plenty of times you can't shower without getting wet,

Also i noticed Lennox on commentary kept saying Fury is smothering his own work in the later rounds that he needed to step back to finish him but it was obvious that was Fury's tactic to give Wilder no space to catch him with a hail Mary shot, There no question Fury could feel Wilder tiring & new if he just kept on him the stoppage would come, No way was Fury going that far in the fight and stepping off looking for a KO only to be caught himself,

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Completely agree, refusal to give Wilder any space was completely misread as being sloppy and smothering his own work. He did completely respect Wilders power so it was a smart move IMO.

Re Whyte, I can see motivation being an issue. For some reason I can just see Fury not wanting to fight him. Citing it as not being a challenge to get him in the zone for training, maybe not wanting to give Eddie Hearn the payday etc... I get the impression he doesn't like people dictating to him whom he should fight. So will be interesting to see what he does if the WBC orders him to do so (lets not forget Wallin could beat Whyte and Fury didn't look hectic against Wallin last time). So imagine WBC order he fights Wallin, he might say been there done that and vacate and wait for Usyk/AJ.

Would love to see him fight Whyte, would be good build up, and allow him return to UK to promote himself, but to be honest you just never know with him. He may have a breakdown, balloon in weight etc... with no really big challenge on the horizon, think he is genuinely gutted that AJ was beaten as that was the real carrot to keep him focused.

I seen lots of people on Twitter even some ex fighters talking about the ref's count & how he stopped to tell Wilder to go into his corner,

It baffles me as to why, Its the 10 Count not a 10 second rule , The ref counts at his own discretion & also has every right to stop the count to tell the other fighter to go to the corner as he is not allowed to receive advise during the 10 count so he has to go to a neutral corner ,

Also the rule was brought in as a gentleman's agreement to give fighter a chance to go again hence why its not counted quickly or protested against often , ,

I think video games and the likes have made people see the rule differently where your in a panic to beat the count,

In real life & in the pro game if the ref see's your getting up and not totally out of it he will give you every chance to continue even more so in a world title fight ,

How do people see the state of boxing in general now?

All the usual problems remain in terms of too many belts / tv stations etc but it does seem to be transferring into the mainstream more and more lately.

Friends of mine who never watched a fight in the last 10 years have all been watching Canelo and the heavyweight fights this year.

The only meaningful fight for Fury now is Usyk.

Whyte / Fury is a non event.

AJ, based on the last fight, has little chance vs Usyk.

But AJ plans not to be like he was in his last fight....that's why to say he has no chance is a little odd..

He plans to reverse the Usyk decision...

May not mean he wins, but surely he could have a chance?

But there were plenty instances in the fight where it was nip and tuck, and Usyk was not at all clearly superior...

AJ, with the right attitude, plan, advice and desire to actually go and win, could present a far tougher fight to Usyk

AJ has to make it a shoot out, He has to try get Usyk out early but he always seems petrified of gassing out .

It's going to take big balls from AJ to stick the foot down if he does it & doesn't stop Usyk early then he knows he will be the one stopped late on ,

The problem with any other game plan is that it is likely to just turn out the exact same fight as last time to me that would be more embarrassing than getting stopped himself ,at least he can say he had a proper go ,

dean whyte is a funny bloke on ifltv interviews, his real name is lemar scott and he was a very influential figure in the brixton area and has left that life behind

himself and shane would be a good scrap but i think thats only banter

frank warren is saying the fury whyte fight should be in the uk but i am sure fury has two more fights in the states