AJ v Usyk you'd have to have Usyk as favourite ,
Probably most pressure AJ has ever been under going in to a fight because in the Ruiz 1 he just got caught but Usyk gave him a boxing lesson , Lose & im not sure what happens,
Whyte has to get through Wallin first in 3 weeks time , Fury mentioned Whyte as one of his last 4 fights pre Wilder & Warren said today if they have to fight Whyte so be it ,
Fury is ripping that Usyk was the one to knock AJ permanently off the hype train. It has cost both of them a fortune.
Wilder being allowed a rematch and Usyk enforcing his mandatory has cost the 2 guys (and Eddie Hearn and Top Rank) an absolute fortune.
Fury won't see that purse in 2 fights (Whyte/Wallin and Usyk) so must be a real sickener.
Hi everyone, I don't add enough to the conversation here, but I do enjoy reading your thoughts. So, what happens next?
JOshua gets his belts back, again (finally using his power), Fury fights White?
He was competitive as in never got blown away but was never going to win that way ,
AJ's problem is if he comes out to box him again he will find out very quickly things are going the same way & he has never once showed the ability to change mid fight, to lose again in such a passive manner will be embarrassing , Look at Wilder he had the courage and balls to go after Fury & at least went out giving it his absolute all ,
AJ as you rightly say AJ will have to take one to land one but does he have that courage still
I agree with you on that. I think a cagey opening 2-3 rounds isn’t the worst thing for aj but he needs to go for home at some point. He fought to not lose last time and as a result just went through the motions.Usyk stung him many times but he’s been hit far harder before. He barely threw a body shot all night. I think it was round 8 or 9 when he bloodied Usyk’s eye, might have been a head involvement but at the end of 10th that fight was in the balance. If aj had come out in 11 like Usyk did then he may well have won. It was a very cheap way for a champion to surrender his titles. He’s defended titles 7 times by my count even if some were a bit soft.
The big plan to announce himself in USA really backfired. Unlikely to ever fight there again. It’s kinda disappointing not to see those big bouts in MSG any more.
dean whyte is a funny bloke on ifltv interviews, his real name is lemar scott and he was a very influential figure in the brixton area and has left that life behind
himself and shane would be a good scrap but i think thats only banter
frank warren is saying the fury whyte fight should be in the uk but i am sure fury has two more fights in the states
Not so sure he needs to take Usyk out. As said, plenty times where they were both boxing very competitively.
Usyk seemed far more committed throughout to actually pressing home for the win
AJ needs to use his size, range, height, weight....and to simply give it more welly! Stop fretting about being clipped/hurt.....go and try to win...
He boxed like he didn't want to, or think he could win.....
AJ has to make it a shoot out, He has to try get Usyk out early but he always seems petrified of gassing out .
It's going to take big balls from AJ to stick the foot down if he does it & doesn't stop Usyk early then he knows he will be the one stopped late on ,
The problem with any other game plan is that it is likely to just turn out the exact same fight as last time to me that would be more embarrassing than getting stopped himself ,at least he can say he had a proper go ,
Was Whyte ever AJ's mandatory?
He was always pushed in the WBC rankings, I think it was Wilder he was mandatory for.
One thing that delays things is this constant rematch buzz, but its completely understandable and has always been the case historically. Problem is AJ is very beatable so his rematches seem to take up alot of time. Usyk will KO him next time i'm sure of it. He knows AJ only has one way of winning, pour it on him for 3-4 rounds and Usyk will have prepared for that. When the gas tank empties, he will be stopped.
No more than Fury and Wilder, the fights are entertaining sure, but we know the outcome of Fury v Wilder and Joshua v Usyk so rematches don't carry that lustre.
Fury v Usyk would be fascinating, even the build up to see how Fury would play it. Usyk and his team are gentlemen so the mind games won't have any impact you would imagine. I just think Fury will be too big, he will use his physical advantages to the full extent.
But there were plenty instances in the fight where it was nip and tuck, and Usyk was not at all clearly superior...
AJ, with the right attitude, plan, advice and desire to actually go and win, could present a far tougher fight to Usyk
I think his only chance would be to knock Usyk out......
I think its a bit deeper than that however, it looks like he has AJ's number in terms of boxing skill for sure.
Did AJ look like he really wanted it ? Did he want to go down into the trenches ? I am not sure. Because if you want to beat Usyk you will have to dig deep.
Does he need a new manager ????
But AJ plans not to be like he was in his last fight....that's why to say he has no chance is a little odd..
He plans to reverse the Usyk decision...
May not mean he wins, but surely he could have a chance?
Hearn annoys the hell out of me,
He is now adamant that Whyte should fight Fury next when the public want Usyk v Fury and many even saying Fury should wait and fight the winner But when Whyte was AJ's mandatory Eddie didn't push it at all because it wasn't what the public wanted ,
Id love to see Wilder v AJ but i don't think we will ever see that one ,
The only meaningful fight for Fury now is Usyk.
Whyte / Fury is a non event.
AJ, based on the last fight, has little chance vs Usyk.
People can say what they like about Eddie Hearn, but he is a fantastic promoter. Hopefully DAZN is a real success and alot more marquee names come under that umbrella and fights get made easier. Production values from Matchroom are also terrific, the razz matazz really brings in casual viewers, big entrances etc.. its all very WWE but its small things like that that end up putting extra eyes on the sport at end of the day.
His move across the water into the US market has been cool I think, the Canelo v Saunders show production wise was big improvement on the usual fare you get at US fights. Even fights in vegas lack the kind of tv production value that should be the norm.
How do people see the state of boxing in general now?
All the usual problems remain in terms of too many belts / tv stations etc but it does seem to be transferring into the mainstream more and more lately.
Friends of mine who never watched a fight in the last 10 years have all been watching Canelo and the heavyweight fights this year.
Lot folks don't realize it's a 10 count, not a 10 seconds count.
I seen lots of people on Twitter even some ex fighters talking about the ref's count & how he stopped to tell Wilder to go into his corner,
It baffles me as to why, Its the 10 Count not a 10 second rule , The ref counts at his own discretion & also has every right to stop the count to tell the other fighter to go to the corner as he is not allowed to receive advise during the 10 count so he has to go to a neutral corner ,
Also the rule was brought in as a gentleman's agreement to give fighter a chance to go again hence why its not counted quickly or protested against often , ,
I think video games and the likes have made people see the rule differently where your in a panic to beat the count,
In real life & in the pro game if the ref see's your getting up and not totally out of it he will give you every chance to continue even more so in a world title fight ,
Whyte will start calling Fury all sorts & Fury will do the same in return and it will get Fury motivated
It'll be a real edge there always is with Whyte , his brother Dean (who's not his brother) & Shane Fury have called each out before for a scrap so there will be fire works
Completely agree, refusal to give Wilder any space was completely misread as being sloppy and smothering his own work. He did completely respect Wilders power so it was a smart move IMO.
Re Whyte, I can see motivation being an issue. For some reason I can just see Fury not wanting to fight him. Citing it as not being a challenge to get him in the zone for training, maybe not wanting to give Eddie Hearn the payday etc... I get the impression he doesn't like people dictating to him whom he should fight. So will be interesting to see what he does if the WBC orders him to do so (lets not forget Wallin could beat Whyte and Fury didn't look hectic against Wallin last time). So imagine WBC order he fights Wallin, he might say been there done that and vacate and wait for Usyk/AJ.
Would love to see him fight Whyte, would be good build up, and allow him return to UK to promote himself, but to be honest you just never know with him. He may have a breakdown, balloon in weight etc... with no really big challenge on the horizon, think he is genuinely gutted that AJ was beaten as that was the real carrot to keep him focused.
That’s been an age old thing. Look at Tyson’s first 15 odd fights. Then even look at the next 15. He didn’t meet anyone really until Berbeck.
Fury took 3.5 years out and then the rematch clause held it up, Joshua had to fight Usyk. It’s hard to make all align.
I think he purposely dropped the "boxing" for fighting Wilder , Just because if he was caught off balance or ducking into a shot it would be game over,
If your going to be tagged by Wilder better off its chin down biting on your mouth piece expecting it to come rather than getting caught as your try to duck & weave, Fury expected to be hit he said plenty of times you can't shower without getting wet,
Also i noticed Lennox on commentary kept saying Fury is smothering his own work in the later rounds that he needed to step back to finish him but it was obvious that was Fury's tactic to give Wilder no space to catch him with a hail Mary shot, There no question Fury could feel Wilder tiring & new if he just kept on him the stoppage would come, No way was Fury going that far in the fight and stepping off looking for a KO only to be caught himself,
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If he has no training then he’s not switched on and he would be in danger. Whyte is a big ignorant lump and he hasn’t anything like the mental fragility of Wilder.
I dismissed the chance of him beating aj for long and long but it was to some who were telling me Usyk would beat him. I’m less confident now. I know aj believes he has his beating and that’s huge in this fight. I doubt it if they’ll meet again with both in a strong position.
It's a disgrace really that it's taken so long for the top fighters to actually start fighting each other.
Too much money padding going on. Joshua had 14 pro fights before actually meeting anyone semi decent in Dillian Whyte.
Joshua became IBF champ in 2016. Fury beat Wladimir in 2015. 5/6 years later and a countless number of PPV events later and they still haven't fought.
I think a Fury with no training and just his normal fight weight still easily beats Whyte
folks also talking about Whyte beating AJ. Whyte still has the same chance as he did years ago. A KO. Even a less aggressive and more cautious AJ easily outboxes Whyte.
I think his boxing has come on a lot. He’s always been very good with defensive movement but unorthadox positions allow him to get hit. Moving almost 7 ft out of the way isn’t easy. It depends on the style he’s chosen and the trainer. Peter had him boxing at range and that worked well against a great opponent like Wlad or a slow one like Chisora II (this was the poorest I’ve ever seen Chisora, even counting the Haye fight). When Ben D trained him he had all the weight on so they were managing that and he fought against lower opposition until Wilder I where he boxed and moved very well but still was rusty and stamina not built up enough so he got caught and clipped. I think he neglected to follow trainer’s advice esp in the 12th round. Then Sugarhill turned him into an aggressive, attacking fighter (for Wilder anyway). It’s really exciting and it uses all of his attributes but there’s risk. I’m not sure the older more timid style would have enabled him to keep away from Wilder as well and he’d have been punching while dancing away so getting far less of his own power in. I think these last two fights have seen him develop into the very best version of himself, even if he did get caught in the 4th the other night. I think this version wipes out 2015 Wlad and hammers the version that aj defeated, possibily ina similar fashion to the other night, climbing off the canvas to win via ko.
If AJ had beaten Usyk then what a fight that would be to make. If he retires now then I wouldn’t think much of him as the greatest of the era, he still has more to do. There are other rivals than Wilder and he’s favourite to beat them all but he’s not done it yet. I think his biggest enemy is himself for his next fight. Say it were Whyte well I could see motivation being an issue, he won’t get into Whyte’s head as much and Whyte will be game as on fight night. A lacklustre performance and Whyte could very well ko him. I’d count that less of a shock than Douglas or Rachmann, and Fury has the tendancy to throw the head up. On his A Game then he rips Whyte apart.
Fury has taken heavy shots In almost everyone of his fights that I can remember apart from Vlad and schawrtz
I think Furys corner knew to give DW a few rounds to tire. Attempting a new style with 1.5 stone muscle extra was a bad idea.
I also think Fury is taking shots he doesn't need to take. It was definitly the right idea to back Wilder up but a few years ago Fury doesn't get hit with many of those shots.
He was even getting clipped against Wallin with shot's I haven't seen him take before.He's dropped a lot of his boxing IMO. Head movement, feints, boxing outside.
He has the heart of a lion and can take a shot but there is no need to walk through shots like he is doing IMO.
He's dropped a lot of his boxing IMO. Head movement, feints, boxing outside.
He's some champ alright. Rather than call out for a shot at the title, this dope calls out a 55 year mike tyson.
Aim high champ 🤣
There isn't alot of quality floating about stateside in the HW division
Surely Trevor Bryan is automatically mandatory? He’s the regular champion..
you’d get lost with these organisations
