Changes in the GAA - super thread

Didn’t they experiment with a handpass rule to three hand passes only and it was a nightmare for refs?

That flipping advanced mark thing should be dropped anyway ruins a game. Stop start.

I was thinking that changing the value of the type of goal scored might work. Instead of limiting hand passes go the other way.

Give incentive to direct running a fella scores a goal beating 3 or more outfielders in a direct run = 4 points? It would discourage hand passing?

Are we going back to the 2018 and 2019 intercounty season calendar for 2022 ?

Personally preferred the old calendar esp this years one but obv covid played its part for that

Options A and B sound poor tbh. What's the point of calling them provincial championships if they are going to make 4 groups of 8. That would mean many teams not playing in their actual province thereby making it a farce (like Galway winning the Leinster Championship). If going with 4 groups of 8 just scrap the provincial element to it.

I don't like the League option either, tying the league into the championship is ridiculous. They should be two separate competitions (like the EPL and FA Cup). It also sounds way more complicated, why not keep it simple?

The best thing to do would be to make a Champions League type of format with 8 groups of 4 for the group stages. All teams would then get several games. Top 2 in each group go into knockout stage. Why can they never keep things simple?

Not 'many', a handful, but I suppose if you concede the principle...

Was wondering this myself, i still cant find a detailed explanation of Option B. If this is the case i cant see the top teams being bothered about this Tailteann Cup if they dont have a top 5 finish.

I'm guessing the Football League/Championship would start later in the year maybe early-mid April and be done by end of July

The hurling League start the end of January with the Championship Round robin in May

Its a bit of mix bag with the Div 3 and Div 4 champions, very doubtful they will be able to beat the teams in the All Ireland Preliminary Rounds, Maybe Div 3 champions would give them a game but the Div 4 champions wont have a hope and would they not be better off in the Tailteann Cup

Id prefer Option B instead of that Farce of the other one with teams joining Munster and Connacht championships.

The division 3 and 4 teams will be coming into the preliminary quarter final with serious momentum, probably on the back of winning 6 or 7 games, take Derry in this year's leauge for example they flew through the division and would have fancied their chances against any team bar the elites.

They came within a whisker of Donegal in the Ulster Championship. You can't underestimate the effect winning matches has on a team.

I just did a bit of analysis of the bottom three teams in Div 1 between 2009 (first year with just 4 straight divisions) and 2019 (last pre COVID season) and how they fared in that years championship.

The breakdown is below, but the summary is on two occasions a bottom three team won it, on one occasion they lost a final, on 2 occasions they got to semi finals, and on 9 occasions they got to quarters.

So of 33 examples, 14 (42%) got to at least the QF.

Excluding the bottom three teams for any further involvement after the 7 league games is pretty s**ty in my opinion.

That 6th place in the league was always a decent landing spot for a lot of teams who needed to re-build or were hit by injuries, or for a team newly promoted.

Get to 6th and you are not going down, but you still could risk points by experimenting, blooding new players etc.

If it's implemented it's going to make Div 1 really tough.

Personally I don't think Div 1 team should be excluded at all.

Have a playoff with a Div 2 team instead to get to the next stage.

Championship finishing point after coming bottom 3 in Division 1

Winners 2 

Final 1

SF 2

QF 9

Rd1 7

Rd2 5

Rd3 3

Rd4 4 

2009

Dublin - QF

Donegal - QF

Westmeath - Rd2

2010

Monaghan - Rd4

Derry - Rd3

Tyrone - QF

2011

Armagh - Rd3

Monaghan - Rd1

Galway - Rd2

2012

Donegal - Winners

Armagh - Rd1

Laois - QF

2013

Kerry - SF 

Donegal - QF

Down - Rd2

2014

Kerry - Winners

Kildare - Rd4

Westmeath - Rd1

2015

Kerry - Final

Tyrone - Rd2

Derry - Rd3

2016

Monaghan - Rd1

Cork - Rd4

Down - Rd1

2017

Tyrone - SF

Cavan - Rd1

Roscommon - QF

2018

Mayo - Rd2

Donegal - QF

Kildare - QF

2019

Monaghan - Rd1

Roscommon - QF

Cavan - Rd4

But we will all have to adjust to a new mindset, there will be no NFL as we knew it, it will be the championship, your first 'league' game is your first game in the cship. Teams will adjust their training/preparation accordingly. btw when is this vote?

What's the breakdown of the 16 teams that make it through? I can't find the exact details anywhere (which makes me think that the GAA have absolutely no desire for these changes to be successful)

Top 5 in D1

Top 3 in D2?

Top 2 in D3?

Top 2 in D4?

4 x provincial winners?

Don't think the provincial championships are linked in any way to the AIC/L.

It's a bit mad that such important proposals are still not clearly understood, though the fact that the GAA establishment is against them provides a clue. Still, i cant understand why the media arent all over this? Makes no sense

Ya, would like to see all Div 1 teams have one knockout game but i think the main thing is for this to get through and see how it works, can always be tweaked after next year. The lack of debate on this is quite soemthing though, i was talking to a few GAA heads, heavily involved in clubs etc last night, and they didnt really know anything about it

There are only two proposals and both will be voted on separately, 60% is needed