Smart Tariff Unit Rates

I think they do belong in this thread.

Even just to highlight the ripoff prices of smart meter tariffs.

There wont be any savings to the customer on the current ripoff smart meter tariffs.

Id like to see one that compares to the costs posted by KCross above.

And to the points above.

"Estimated reduced energy use due to consumer knowing usage times and loads - 5%"

Its making it more complicated for the user. What could be easier to know than the current daytime, nighttime times?

"No physical meter readings required - saving €15/year"

Fair enough, but I think the average smart meter bill is going to increase by more than that even in each month.

"No more estimated bills and surprises."

I think people who switched to smart metering are cuyrrently getting a very big surprise on their bills. How much they have suddenly increased by.

"Customer who have the various apps that are becoming available can closely monitor usage and change habits is necessary"

Who is paying for the development and maintenance of these apps? The customer.

"Customers can gain from better off peak rates - this will have higher peak rates to push to to use in the off peak / free times"

Again. What could be easier than the current day/night times and why are they not available on smart meters. Im sure they will be in time - at a higher price.

"Customers can gain form having the most appropriate plan based on real time usage."

Not really. But the provider will gain from having the most obscure billing system.

"There was a comprehensive study in the UK and it said that the savings to both consumer and supplier means the costs of the meter installations are had within 2 years."

You forget. This is Ireland. Im willing to bet my house that smart metering will not result in reduced electricity bills for the customer.

The megacorps using automation to screw the ordinary punter as usual. Send all the meter-readers home, pocket their wages for themselves & spend the rest of their days sunning themselves on a beach in the Carribean

Not everything can moved to night rate but things like dishwashers, laundry and immersion can. And if you have an EV it's a no-brainer.

Makes no sense to move to smart plans - day/nights plans are cheaper

I would love to know the reasoning behind the smart meter rates being so high. The companies obviously don't want it to be successful otherwise they would have priced it in such a way to make it attractive.

There is zero incentive to select a smart tariff compared to standard rates(from Bord Gais).

I would love to see the statistics as to how often appliances go on fire in Ireland and of those that do, what time it occurs and are they maintained correctly, esp with driers . Not knocking your fears, but I would suspect it is very low.

I do get the noise factor entirely and not every appliance can be scheduled for night time running so you would have to be still up at 11pm (or whatever time is switches over) to physically start them. Never mind a 4am off-off peak rate.

Is anyone else getting We cannot display your Insights at the moment. Please try again later. message in all of the my electric Ireland page?

Not sure what exactly your question here here beachhead? Smart meters are well explained here

Smart Metering (sseairtricity.com)

and on all the other providers websites. The rates that you pay are also readily available on the sites , for example.....

Compare our plans | Bord Gáis Energy (bordgaisenergy.ie)

Our tariffs (sseairtricity.com)

but bonkers.ie is the way to check (easily) across providers.

Ultimately, people have checked all of them. The smart meter tariffis at the moment are an oxymoron. Anyone who swaps to them will (invariably) end up having an increased bill - hence why they aren't that "smart".

Well, I only gave you those because I didn't know who you were with, but it's all up there somewhere on the web.....You just have to search man.

Electric Ireland: Compare Electricity & Gas Rates (selectra.ie)

Compared that to the day/night......you'll lose money (assuming your on day/night)

Yup. And that's why people are posting smart assed replies. There simply isn't (as far as I'm aware) any provider out there who has a half decent smart tariff which is worth considering. Why would anyone willingly increase your leccie bill? That's not smart.....excuse the pun

Pretty sure it's deliberate though as I mentioned previously in the thread. If there was a provider out there offering a good deal which requires a smart meter, then you'd have Joe Duffy on day-time TV telling everyone to "go get one" and save a tenner a month. You can imagine the fiasco of the the old age pensioners out there writing in on how they've been waiting months to get one. Since ESB networks have some 2.4 million homes to have smart meters fitted before 2024, I reckon they have deliberately done this with the electric providers to curb demand.

I haven't done this myself (as it's not come my way yet) but I believe that you can remain on your existing day/night tarrif when you get in a smart meter. You don't have to immediately swap over to a smart tarrif because you have a smart meter. Naturally the meter itself can slice the raw data into a day/night tarffit just as easily as another time slice. But yeah, if they offer you to move to a smart tarrif when installing - unless something changes, decline. Stick with your day/night tariff as long as you can.

Ultimately (and I could be wrong) once the market has been saturated with meters, I suspect both ESB networks along with the providers to start offering competitive rates to move. With smart meters, they can create fiscal imperatives to shift loads to say 2am and that helps them. In their last annual report they reckoned smart meters would reduce the high peak loads by 4%, and that could mean less power stations they have to build, better use of renewables at nighttime, etc

They ain't stupid - they KNOW that people won't swap to smart tarrifs en masse if it's more expensive. There's an angle there.....in the short term.

Jeez they sound high day night rates but I suppose that is the way all rates are going at the minute. I'm on the smart plan with bord gais and paying 5c less than that for day rate but 2c more for night rate but they do add in Sunday free Electricity with that too. If on day night shop around as smart plans getting terrible press but that electric Ireland one including higher standing charge too seems shocking!

No you are incorrect. Smart meters are currently unable to support a day/night tarrif This is not a limitation of the meters themselves but ESB Networks not supporting it.

Good to know - as I said, it's not come my way yet so that was only what I believed. Good to know the story. Only thing I knew for sure, is once you move off, you can't move back.

Interesting.....I wonder legally though where would that would stand? I mean, for the sake of argument say you have a 12 month contract with provider "x" to supply leccie at Day/night rates, then they come along and swap out the meter and no longer give you that rate.... Not that I'm planning on going off to court or anything, but just curious.

Watch out for the T&Cs on the free Sunday, fair usage and all that shxte

they can support it, they log in 1/2 blocks which are timestamped and dated , this gets uploaded to the utility who can bill in ant TOUS tariff they want.

what they don't have is an output for older storage heaters.

Not that they support it, they just don’t offer that as a product.

Smart meter due to be installed shortly, thought I was being stupid looking at the smart plans and thinking they will cost a lot more money