Smart Tariff Unit Rates

Yup. And that's why people are posting smart assed replies. There simply isn't (as far as I'm aware) any provider out there who has a half decent smart tariff which is worth considering. Why would anyone willingly increase your leccie bill? That's not smart.....excuse the pun

Pretty sure it's deliberate though as I mentioned previously in the thread. If there was a provider out there offering a good deal which requires a smart meter, then you'd have Joe Duffy on day-time TV telling everyone to "go get one" and save a tenner a month. You can imagine the fiasco of the the old age pensioners out there writing in on how they've been waiting months to get one. Since ESB networks have some 2.4 million homes to have smart meters fitted before 2024, I reckon they have deliberately done this with the electric providers to curb demand.

I haven't done this myself (as it's not come my way yet) but I believe that you can remain on your existing day/night tarrif when you get in a smart meter. You don't have to immediately swap over to a smart tarrif because you have a smart meter. Naturally the meter itself can slice the raw data into a day/night tarffit just as easily as another time slice. But yeah, if they offer you to move to a smart tarrif when installing - unless something changes, decline. Stick with your day/night tariff as long as you can.

Ultimately (and I could be wrong) once the market has been saturated with meters, I suspect both ESB networks along with the providers to start offering competitive rates to move. With smart meters, they can create fiscal imperatives to shift loads to say 2am and that helps them. In their last annual report they reckoned smart meters would reduce the high peak loads by 4%, and that could mean less power stations they have to build, better use of renewables at nighttime, etc

They ain't stupid - they KNOW that people won't swap to smart tarrifs en masse if it's more expensive. There's an angle there.....in the short term.

I know its a bit off topic however we are going that direction on this thread as we are talking day/night meters. If someone has not accepted the smart meter yet would it make sense to switch to to a standard day/night meter. I just ran my usage through bonkers and there only 2 cent in the different between the EI 24 rate and day rate on day/night meter.

2 cent extra during the day and discount night sounds like a good deal if not comparable to 24 hour over the long run. I have solar installed so only consume arounf 1500 kWh a year.

Jeez they sound high day night rates but I suppose that is the way all rates are going at the minute. I'm on the smart plan with bord gais and paying 5c less than that for day rate but 2c more for night rate but they do add in Sunday free Electricity with that too. If on day night shop around as smart plans getting terrible press but that electric Ireland one including higher standing charge too seems shocking!

No you are incorrect. Smart meters are currently unable to support a day/night tarrif This is not a limitation of the meters themselves but ESB Networks not supporting it.

Good to know - as I said, it's not come my way yet so that was only what I believed. Good to know the story. Only thing I knew for sure, is once you move off, you can't move back.

Interesting.....I wonder legally though where would that would stand? I mean, for the sake of argument say you have a 12 month contract with provider "x" to supply leccie at Day/night rates, then they come along and swap out the meter and no longer give you that rate.... Not that I'm planning on going off to court or anything, but just curious.

Watch out for the T&Cs on the free Sunday, fair usage and all that shxte

they can support it, they log in 1/2 blocks which are timestamped and dated , this gets uploaded to the utility who can bill in ant TOUS tariff they want.

what they don't have is an output for older storage heaters.

Not that they support it, they just don’t offer that as a product.

Smart meter due to be installed shortly, thought I was being stupid looking at the smart plans and thinking they will cost a lot more money

I was the same as you, they switched mine to a day/night meter without issue, I was mid contract rather than renewing.

giving up on the smart metering, ordered my D\N meter today (primarily for BEV charging during the coming winter months), can always order a smart meter if the regulators ever wake up and enforce a proper smart market 😩

I'm of the same opinion, that its all technically possible just that the providers dont support it in their billing systems.

I have come across one person who says they have a day/night plan with a smart meter. Personally I think s(he) is in for a shock when the next bill comes or else they have actually started supporting day/night plans with smart meters but I doubt it somehow.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117963665#Comment_117963665

As I said its not a limitation of the meter but of ESB Networks. Most likely they haven't done the backend work to support it yet.

Everyone is hammering the smart plans. I've run the numbers and based on last year's usage, the electric ireland smart plan with the extra low night rate between 2am and 4am is best for me. My calcs assume 80% night rate usage which is my ratio from last year. Also assumes that I will use 3 hours night rate per night which seems a good guess - dishwasher, washing machine, tumble dryer are all 3 hour ish programs. EV gets a decent whack in that time. Cashback brings this option under the standard day/night rate offer. Maybe I've missed something but don't think so...